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Welcome.
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Guys, we are back, with another episode of Energy Bites. I am flying solo today. But today we've got. We've got Matt major, the CTO over at, Blue Spark. Matt, nice to thanks for joining us today. I mean, absolutely. Let's just get right into Into Blue Spark. What is what is blue spark. What what do you guys do?
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Unknown
That's a good question. I asked that question a few months ago and I said, okay, you know, I was, reached out to consider this position. So, like, we are in the business of building servers, like what we are looking, you know, to modernize that intervention, bring it into the, 21st century. It's a very cool technology, that, you know, we use, electrical pulses, that are very, microsecond that they create very, strong but short of the, policies that they shatter, state of solid.
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Unknown
And, so we have, you know, developed and, but interventionism,
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Unknown
but no, no chemicals, no pumps, none of, the other joys of, well, intervention. And, you know, as our CEO said, you know, the era that Stone age, but having said that. Yeah, exactly. You know, you know, ultimately, chemical, they could be affected by dissolve, things in a, there's also a chemical injection, that, aspect of that, for all of these brush.
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Right. For example, because all the devices and they suffer greatly their marks there, you know, consider, you know, when you open your tap water, sometimes you see, right, clean water tells you, you either that or you think that you it's not clean. Very simple. Yes, but a much harsher environment. Yeah. Not your sink. Yeah. No. Right.
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Unknown
No kidding. But that's why, you know, now we go all the way down, very targeted. And it's already using electricity and, and it. No longer every created capacity need, but it is limited to short, to go even less than that. So it is very strong policies, very effective on certain types of, solids, such as the skin.
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Unknown
I don't know why I, I'm a big believer in, analogies for, for understanding things. To me, when I was, when I was researching y'all, the first thing that popped into my head was either the, the tool cleaner or the jewelry cleaner where you put the tools in, and then it sends pulses through it and it basically wirelessly cleans it without a solution.
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Unknown
And then you take it out and you're like, oh, it's brand new. It knocked everything off of it. Is it kind of similar to that? Is that okay? Yeah, exactly. I came up with this, water stick, because my aunt is always asking, what do you do with. Because if I don't find you, somebody dies in a few blocks from the exit about.
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Unknown
And it's got gonna that she had the problem with the, thing is this is exactly what this is what we're solving. That's a that's awesome. But then, yes, you're right, but it's. They targeted is very effective in certain type of studies. The kind of, discovery, metal got all the. That power is gone. Another analogy that we use that very, you know, oil and gas and, medicine and, you know, we already talked about health, etc..
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This is also important for us that, you know, when your or, you know, pain or. The removal of that. But you also need a sample of what if you are removing. Right is what we are doing next. Right. So in terms of another angle of these, you know some of these interventions are very reactive. When it goes wrong before we start acting.
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Unknown
But now we are thinking that imagine that, you know, when it's going to happen, why it's happened. And you're very right. So that's actually a couple of things that we are being market. So, I think I had take in November. But that's exactly what I believe, bringing some examples back and helping us identify a bit more right, that we are targeting.
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Unknown
What is that the other and then we move. So basically removing it and then collecting it, bringing it back to the surface. So you had the, you know, shatter the skills. Or the type of, solid this is this ability to bring some of that back. Right. And that's something that, they're, nice. And then because you're, you've got a chemistry background.
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Unknown
Right? So then it's a geochemistry problem at that point, to an extent. Right. How what often or or physics, I guess is the problem. And sometimes we you don't know. Right away to bring it back. It might be a mixture of different things. And that helps, operators, our customers, some of our partners even help us identify and eventually why not?
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Unknown
I mean, some of these could be a very heavy problem. So we can use it. That chemical also, we are actually having a couple of good examples of that, but, as opposed to being very blind, now we have our ability of not only being right, but actually what it is that, clogging your.
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Unknown
Well, yeah. Now, that makes a lot of sense, right? It's, I think people underestimate how much is happening in a in a wellbore, especially at the surface and stuff from, just from a physics perspective. Right. Like you've got phase changes across three, you know, potentially multi different, fluids and then, you've got the pressure and the temperature that is all dictating all of that throughout.
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Unknown
Things could change. Yeah. Right. Well and then you've got the depth and then the pressure and temperatures are changing. Yes. Warming. And all of a sudden developed. You thought they were going to have a lot have and it is answer. Yes. It's much more accessible by the, the logistic offshore. Hey we also need to make sure you know everything else that you can actually go and address.
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Unknown
So, our industry has data that all this, all the data is available. Right. Think that's another element that, you also and other data other than collecting data about how we can put this data to work with us today, I didn't I it's very fast. Yeah. A very different direction, but I thought a very good self-taught really, really good.
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Unknown
Something like that. Useful. But, yeah. Without data, you don't know. Right. Exactly. Yeah. You cannot, you know, see, your hypotheses, your directions. Right? Yeah. So where where are you guys primarily deploying? This is it's mostly offshore. Onshore? Both. But you got,
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Unknown
offshore. Very known in North Sea
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Unknown
Gulf of Mexico. We've done some works, expanding there. And then, in the this, we've done, a lot of, works. So the customers, one of the area that we've done some work, but we are a lot more is actually fewer.
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Unknown
So, actually, our new facility, our new headquarters here, which I'm open in a few weeks. So congrats. It's awesome. It's awesome. So we are very excited about this. We are excited to, technology has been patented in us. That's enough that our U.S company. But, you said let's go to see, I'm doing new manufacturing here, so it's very exciting.
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Unknown
But that's. Yeah, the last five months, it is like five years. In a good way. Yeah. No, that's that is the, easiest way to describe working at the start of this months turn into years is very, very quickly. What you do in a day might be multiple weeks. Months for sure, which makes it exciting at the same time.
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Unknown
Yes, that's the element of risk in any startup. But, you know what you're doing. And if you're not really, you know, making a very crazy decision and go fast in the very beginning. Yeah, very. That's awesome. So now that we know what Blue's spark is, how did how did that come about? How did you how did you get there?
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Unknown
Let's let's go back to, to undergrad as it were. You alchemy or just chemistry? So kind of. Okay. Yeah. So I did my chemical. Degree, back in, you know, I did my math in Calgary. Okay. And, I never taught, you know, I was, That's all I was going to ask. So did you have any any exposure to the industry coming in as a CME at all or growing up in Iran?
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Unknown
You're always exposed to industry because. Right. You know, benefited or not, but you know, all the, you know, hearing world and gas industry, I wanted to be at some point I did it, I did as well, actually. That's, I feel like that's a very common, trait amongst engineers. And, we that influencing me too much.
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Unknown
But that actually, that's a cool idea, you know? But maybe you talk to a few people, you know, that, some of the friends, etc.. One of them was, you know, a lot of the engineering company was related to upstream. So anyway, long story short, he sort of gave me another perspective into more into engineering, than I thought.
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Unknown
So I got accepted to engineering. Chemical engineering, was the closest that I got from. But funny enough, I really didn't work around that until the last few years because I. When I joined somebody, I got more into production. It was about type of, engineering, which actually I thought I was gonna say there's still plenty of chemistry and reservoir in production.
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Unknown
Yeah, but is that right? Right. Yeah.
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Unknown
Very cool. And so. So you came out of Calgary. What did right into Schlumberger back then? Selby. What did you what they put you into first? So that was another thing. You know, I never saw that workforce in my head. So limited was, wildlife. Right? That's a lack of understanding. At the time, I'm looking for a job.
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Unknown
You know, I'm good to apply for, Processing. Yeah, a lot less redundancy, but, but all of a sudden, a friend of mine, you used to work for, as a reservoir engineer. So I was like you, you need to consider something that have nothing to offer. You know, I might be wrong.
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Unknown
You know,
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Unknown
so another group of, so
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Unknown
that was called SARS, at the time was become the diesel arm of the. So I'm with you, what what they were looking for at the time, they were trying to expand their.
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Unknown
Yeah, more of a reservoir, production and pipeline, more connected to the, process. Right. But they needed some kind of, I could do that, but it doesn't end there. They were only focused on the software side and the consultant side. So I got involved very quickly with the software side from the, the later stages. So dealing the, developers or, converting that right there into the software more so.
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Unknown
So what what did you think that I would talk that what what, decade was that to to give us some perspective on that. No. From a software from a software perspective, it helps to understand are we talking okay. So we're talking we're talking still relatively kind of, you know, modern software relative to because, you know, 90s oilfield software is very different, in some aspects, you know, but, then I solve we do have a very modern, you have a good, group of, software product that, you know, available in the market.
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Unknown
They have been modernized. Yes. I suppose that actually they were born in Gulfport Cloud and something, right. And I believe and, which, I ended up being that part of a journey for almost like ten after, you know, a few weeks ago with that being like 20 years anniversary. So that's awesome. So how did you end up on the the AI side of that?
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Unknown
So I started with, software, software side of it. And then I can do a bit more, sometimes the, I don't know how I ended up. I become a part manager. For three years, I then I was, I really like, you know, it got to the point that I it's going to be different the rest of my life, you know, as I can manage yourself, or I need to move now.
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Unknown
I mean, to, to to to fund a is, you know, I like, you know, solving a puzzle. I love it. But anyway, so it got to the point. That's okay. I need to change at the time because I personally like that. Since I wanted to be closer to Europe, and then I was, I was being very global company.
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Unknown
I got an offer to go London. So that was end of 2011. I become part of a group, in, Europe. Africa at the time that we were, like, kind of a, small consultancy group that moving across the region and helping the local team, again, all about the software and I. Yeah, I did more than that.
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Unknown
I went to Norway. Similar type of job. Others, on the other side, then back to London. I, I don't know what happened. I got to the market, which was also very intense. And that's how somebody does that. I feel like they just move people around. If you are willing to. Yeah. They give you that. Yeah.
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Unknown
Fantastic. Right. So, then I moved to London. That's actually when I officially first started. Before there, you know, who is now the CEO. So she was the head of marketing marketing for, as I said at the time, it's called saving creation. So we did a year of marketing, as we have. So again, the bridge between the technical load and the market, I got to be more exposed to marketing.
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Unknown
I really like. Then a couple of years, what we call like, so we had this big event and we, used to call and say, do you sell for. So I had to come and talk back, so no idea. But, events, but I that's 16 team, but good experience. After that, I got into the, I don't know, they didn't call production, but by the time they were trying to build more applications between the different division and I lost our commercial.
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Unknown
Almost all use the internet itself to become commercial, so that I get more and more into depth of product management from building. Right. And then that ended up being a part of the, journey that we wanted to, for, I mean, right in the eyes of when somebody comes to, so, enabling that, developing that.
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Unknown
Cool. So, I got together with team, doing that work very closely so that I got more and more,
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Unknown
so then how how did the idea of for how did Blue Spark come to be? Right. So it sounds like y'all, at least some of you met originally and work together. Yes. So I worked for Kadena for two years.
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Unknown
Then, I got to do Java to Java to close visual to see, but then, and I left, you God and with friends, through many years. Last year I, I was lunch with, my product at, as a b, and then I ran into Dana and then she was just joining us at the time, CEO and then, one thing.
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Unknown
Yeah, a few months of back and forth, and then, I got a offer, that you knowing Kanina I did I saw learning a lot of technology. Technology is very cool. It's quite limited in terms of right, and her vision, her direction and says, why not? I don't need that. Yeah, you get it?
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Unknown
Although it became a very hard decision. But the hardest part, one of the hardest things in my life. So what? Because that company that I grew up is, I think that I appreciated the work done together, so it was a hard decision. Yeah. Also, all the reaction then I announced it made it even harder.
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Unknown
But, I have, because that, But it's not that totally opposite. It's just a different. You see, the city w a small a very fast, and it's, you know, my backlog meets what it needs, right? So I, I don't need to be worry. I have a good teammate for you like that. Yeah. Know I can actually get creative, within the where you are headed.
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Unknown
Right. So creating that ecosystem of, you know, so, so so I do digital partnership. Again I started doing that, ecosystem of right. Bringing up data back. So that's it. You might head joined up. And at first I thought maybe there's limitations or just like a lack of lack of investment. Right. That's what we are adding.
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Unknown
And we were able to add that very quickly. Then what do we do with that? Right. So, again, thanks. You know, I, I thought that I said that you were able to build our first app in a very. Yeah. So I say first, have multiple. Can we come up with that? Right. A long time, but I bundle them all that other one or not.
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Unknown
So. And that's the beauty of your experience, maybe multiple years to the last five months. And, that involved the opening of it, you hear? Okay, as I said, just people that's not here. So, yeah. So things, Okay. That's awesome. No, that's that's super cool. I've got lots of questions. So I'll get back to the AI ones because that's we talk about that on pretty much every episode.
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Unknown
But where did the like underlying technology the is. So let me back up. Is it is it more like electromagnetic pulses or is it more acoustic or can you as far as how it actually works. Yeah. Good. Good. Question. I, I solved this question at the beginning. So the technology behind it is the technology that, in use, in,
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Unknown
In, many years, some of them. But then, actually, there is a future company that they decide to use. This is across other, industry. Right. So, because depending on the target that you are. So it's you can either create a policy that, you know, remove this. Right. Or it could be very targeted. So the ability control it to the point that is actually, right level is, if you us that opportunity, that, you know, there's example obviously us going down holiday's example that the are see that already that they're trying to be for example so it's as tiny is that right.
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Unknown
As effective as you know, let's remove mining as they do, remove this rock. Right. Pretty cool for this talk. Right. So, so that's what, is, active power is a technique in the literature on that. But the part that the that's a discussion between our team, the use case, is that how much needed?
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Unknown
Then what, capacity needed to be captured and then how quickly this be released, and then how many policies you need for this application. Gotcha. And then ability to. Yeah. Because this is a when you see the tool is any like, you know, right. Long silver.
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Unknown
Right there. This is, you know, capacity and electronics services and make sure you, you get the right charge at the right time, being able to make, short period, papers, by for you. That's, just tell me they you for, more like, good work. And, the good thing is that, it's, I think you mentioned at the beginning is a very good alternative, that it would be very powerful.
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Unknown
It would be, it is very harmless. It ends up being it is very selective in the area that it is. Right. And, the type of, thing that is targeted. So no damage to your account or the available to an extent. But at the same time, you know, it's very effective in all the, state and all this other department, right?
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Unknown
I don't have to treat the whole well. More like I would if I was pumping fluid right now. That's that's fascinating. And this is all deployed on wireline, I assume. People. Okay. Ultimately. But yeah. Yeah, yeah, nothing crazy there and then. Yeah. You're not going to have to have all the equipment just to pump chemicals, all right.
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Unknown
And you don't even need that. No, that's, that's really cool. So how who was how did it who how did it come together to become Blue Spark, I guess is is my next question. That was before me. Okay. So, again, this was part of a bigger, research ideation, that, a few people love this technology chip.
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Unknown
And, and then when spark got, covers oil company. So, that happened late last year or the first round of funding of the CDK. Like, I said, too early this year. So it's become, independent. It's, mean for the spark. We created. Yeah. But I say we, I joined right at the time.
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Unknown
So thanks to, the team. So they rebranded this talk, I tell you, right about that time, in terms, moving from being very reactive. Right. And that's, getting beat. Okay. Let's make sure that to continue working, while we are refining and defining the sustaining plan, this also make sure we, define a roadmap for expansion and then, one of the key pillar of that or the data, what we use, I for I, we can use Jini.
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Unknown
I obviously use it for the software, but also now we are looking for, alternatives to identifying the problem. I wish you had this interview. Maybe in a few moments ago or since we have a lunch that, maybe I'll come back later. Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it. Yeah. That would be, my aim is to introduce that using that.
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Unknown
That's awesome. Make sure it. Yeah, make sure to stop by the booth if, if you guys are going to add a pack. Yeah. Okay, so let's get into the software side since we're kind of talking about that. Anyway,
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Unknown
What what were some of the, the more interesting things that you worked at, in the past from the software perspective, because it seems like you were in product. You were in, my my career was in software. Even for the chemical engineering method that, my thesis ended up being the software finding that I didn't know so that I could.
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Unknown
So I'm buying that software, but, I had no idea what it was done. And I know all of the. So that was very interesting. So somehow I was always connected, you know, what is, But the more you get connected, the more you like. So I did some programing early on. Not right. I, you know, there were some.
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Unknown
What were you where were you programing in Python. Okay. I had to learn Python. Yeah, right. But it wasn't as hard at the university I studied. I don't know why I started that, so I mean, aging myself, but. Yeah. So that was part of, my career. Without me forcing it. I find and even sometimes New York goes.
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Unknown
Yeah, what do you do with it? I don't work like, you know, but I remember that conversation for many years. Yes. That, you know, you don't need nothing against it. Right. Different things. Right. So no, I get that. I have that conversation all the time. What do you do? It's like, well, it is, It's okay. All right.
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Unknown
I think, I you say. All right. Yeah. Our Wi-Fi is not working. Right. Can you fix it? But, yeah, I'm not the best person to call, but, Yeah. So I got exposed to that quite a bit at the beginning was more around, you know, the product was very, I became like, you know, teaching, writing great courses.
00:26:17:08 - 00:26:50:09
Unknown
Doing all that thing with the software. So more from the link between the user, right, and the feedback to the development, improvement, etc.. Then from the selling. So, because then 19, actually when I moved to Houston or London and I got more into the core of the product management, right. So, defining the roadmap, working with the developers, so that's, and that's the time was, you know, I was giving back my or expertise, which is more production assurance.
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Unknown
Perspective. So I feel comfortable that I know the use cases right. You know, needed to make sure the software, are ready and, you know, customer. But obviously, through even a few years and I these are valid, but, 20 years, a lot of enhancement. You know, lucky we have a lot of good, IP, a lot of the, core of the software.
00:27:17:08 - 00:27:45:11
Unknown
And then, you know, but then also early on, so we invested in the cloud, right? You know, back on the everything was ready. So, some of the software reborn in the cloud or the cloud, and then we were ready to be, and then the have over a few months, things are up and running, and not only just in terms of, you know, process for me, you know.
00:27:45:13 - 00:28:12:22
Unknown
Right. Yeah. Do it for me. For me. And the other thing, I'm, you know, at the beginning of questioning, you know, how far are you gonna go? But why not? Yeah. If I'm, Yeah. Classics engineer, philosophy senior, I work. I'm very open on it. But if I have a agent at Ford I Sydney right away but is like that agent.
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Unknown
That's a good. Yeah. So I think we are you know the, you know very surface Alfredo much much bigger border. And it's not going to be that everything right. I think that's the biggest like misconception. Right. I read I can't remember the name of the book, but it was, I think it wasn't thinking machines.
00:28:34:08 - 00:29:01:19
Unknown
It was something like that. But they was talking about the fact that, like, everyone's worried about automation, but no one, like, right now, the biggest use cases are go do something and then let me make a decision based off of what you do. And so it's like you're not the human decision is still there, right? It's just, can this thing go do the legwork, give me as much information to make the best decision I can possible?
00:29:01:21 - 00:29:18:15
Unknown
And then but then there's also, like, we've done so much, you know, like regulatory automation, and it's like, there's stuff like that, or it's like, hey, the data exists, it lives in a system. The systems are just disconnected, and you just need an agent to go do things like that makes way that those are the things that we should have automated.
00:29:18:15 - 00:29:54:21
Unknown
Ten years ago, that we're finally starting to get around. Yes. Right. And so it's it's truly a fascinating time. So talking about that because we I mean, I use I'm in cloud code, or, you know, some version of, of a harness pretty much all day, every day. And so given your background basically coming from the old way of doing things to now you're at, at a tech startup, what how do you see, you know, how is how is the, you know, the Cicd, the product management, the whole software development kind of life cycle changed for you?
00:29:54:21 - 00:30:18:03
Unknown
Or how do you see the where do you see the biggest impacts, especially coming from, you know, a big company to a startup? Obviously. There is a reason why some of those companies are big. And the last, is, under the title celebration. Somebody a big, but, a lot of respect for that.
00:30:18:03 - 00:30:44:08
Unknown
But in, especially sometimes when you don't have a lot of things, I, we are introducing new technology that you can adopt is much easier. And so, and especially, with open mind and yes, that would be human, you say. Sure. You know, another story. There's a lot of debate I want to try. Right. But I trust, autonomous car and a lot of other times.
00:30:44:10 - 00:31:06:09
Unknown
Right. Well, that's that's exactly where I come with that. Did you see that? There was a video, I think, in the last week where I think it was in California, but there was like a wreck in the HOV lanes. So it's barrier it on both sides, but I think it was at least two lanes wide. Anyway, the Tesla saw it coming and moved like pulled out of the way and you saw the whole wreck happened to the right side of it.
00:31:06:11 - 00:31:31:02
Unknown
And it's like human probably doesn't even see that, right? They're not even paying attention half the time. But there's a lot of debate. Yeah. You know, yes, I believe I'll be cognizant of, 100%. But, I think they're far from that. Yeah, but for companies adopting new technology. Yes. If I got the wrong, you move on, you land, etc..
00:31:31:04 - 00:32:02:09
Unknown
But obviously I'm not supporting the most, very limited resources. We are, in the sense that I want to say you're introducing. So is that a big launch? But, you know, I joined 5000, right? Was, I started doing, some of this started, and, but last few months, you are able to actually not only give it within the hand of our team, you're testing it and are able to introduce, you know, that that have,
00:32:02:11 - 00:32:30:23
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Now, even the testing part. Right. Like I was testing, I'm test. It's. Oh, my God, it's actually end. Right. But but even that. Right. It's like you can now have infinite testers, right. Like some of the others. But still I want to know for sure. For sure, like, I. Yeah, I was having, an agent go through yesterday and test, you know, text to SQL queries on a production instance in on my laptop.
00:32:30:23 - 00:32:56:18
Unknown
And it's just mind blowing to sit there and watch it work and, you know, some of the as you mentioned, the data, you know, the data is just right. But there are also offer. Right. Like you know, now that's the thing the value the, the language of the software in my opinion no longer truly matters unless it's like some very, very specific thing.
00:32:56:20 - 00:33:36:11
Unknown
But like yeah, we were, we migrated our front end from rails to react. And two weeks it's like that would have been 6 to 12 months, all kinds of planning, probably twice the amount of people. Yeah. Like it would have been so much. And now it's a no I mean so I that when people ask me, how much use are you my normal like outside of work life, which is, you know, these days all together anyway obviously they live in that, you know, I use, but, it's at, such as for editing.
00:33:36:15 - 00:34:00:11
Unknown
But no, it got to the point that I see this is my brand. I like. Yeah, yeah, like. Yes. As I said, you know, the other day, I had a hard time to communicate what I need for you here, and I said, okay, I did. You did a connect with that person that I. Right. Probably we've got to continue working.
00:34:00:11 - 00:34:26:06
Unknown
But, anyway, so this is designer, interior designer. You're going back and forth and you're obviously it's something. Right. So I had a similar conversation with, one of the app. I should say something. I you got to be cloud. So anyway, I said, okay, this is my brand guy, that this is my. Yeah. You know, this is as expensive customer facing, these are the thing.
00:34:26:06 - 00:34:46:03
Unknown
I mean, yeah, but I have to tell you why they didn't help me, right? You know, but I said, you know, that kind of give me the rope. But that made that comment, right? That's what I'm talking. Yes. Oh, I see, and I'm like, you know, that doesn't that, you know, so that to actually maybe I can take this.
00:34:46:09 - 00:35:09:18
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's, just a matter of, you spend a few hours, I say, if you always, back and forth in the emails, this conversation was maybe, like, right. Yeah. Now that's, I've never thought about it in that distilled of a way, but it is kind of that where it's like it, it's an ultimate communication tool, right?
00:35:09:18 - 00:35:31:04
Unknown
Like, hey, do you want to see it? Okay, I can make something so you can see it. Yeah. So, whether you are perfectionist or you are just a few possibly give me more time. Let me do the right job. Right. But then sometimes the right thing might not be the right if you do this iteration. For us and for me, we were just chatting, right.
00:35:31:06 - 00:35:56:19
Unknown
So you chat, I switch to the voice. I yeah, it works for me. I, you know, we all the people, you know, that's, but that's what I say is very impacting everything. Yeah, that's it's all work. But I was doing right to see what's going to happen, right? Yeah. No. And it's the crazier part is, you know, I still feel like 99% of people aren't using it.
00:35:56:19 - 00:36:16:07
Unknown
And then the one, a majority of the 1% who are are still using it for like, right this email. Right. This per it's which is great. Yes. But it's still such like low level from from a value perspective, compared to like the super users like you and I that are building all kinds of stuff on the back.
00:36:16:09 - 00:36:36:17
Unknown
That's not that. So that's very, you know, if I didn't have any of the background that I have, I could do that. And actually it's handed you one. Right. So delicious. Oh you. Yes. Give me your two dimensions. You know, it's actually you get more information to make it more realistic. Yeah. That you go to the end. Yeah.
00:36:36:23 - 00:36:57:13
Unknown
Now it's what they need. I have a, you know, a comment. Absolutely. No, I'm I'm doing the exact same thing with my son's bedroom right now where I'm trying to do, like, a built in kind of bookshelf thing on his wall, but I'm like, hey, find whatever you can that's already prefabricated from a cabinet. And storage perspective.
00:36:57:13 - 00:37:22:02
Unknown
So, you know, and it I gave it the dimensions, took a picture and it gave me all these renderings and stuff. It's like, oh yeah, here's some Ikea stuff that you could do for that or some cabinets from that. But right now it's it's truly it's yeah, it's awesome. So let me ask you this. How do you see how do you see it impacting enterprises in the long term.
00:37:22:02 - 00:37:39:16
Unknown
Right. Like I feel like a lot we I mean we talked both of us are selling to enterprises and you talk to them all the time. And a lot of the feedback is like, this is fascinating. It's super powerful, but it's like they're terrified of letting people use it. Even if they let people use it, then it's like, okay, well, now everyone is just writing their own stuff.
00:37:39:16 - 00:38:11:22
Unknown
And how do you you know, it's a good question. I don't have any existing example because, right. Just getting started and but if I play this role, that was a day to day discussion, especially if this is, you know, years ago. Right. So while everybody's excited and no one is more right than you, you know, the time that the copilot was just 16, 17, enterprise is in terms for pilot, but then we have our own, version of it.
00:38:12:00 - 00:38:40:07
Unknown
You know, some on the ten off, so even us internally what it, what doing but then some, you know, enterprises are very open. They work with you, right. Even without you, they are ahead. But some it's just like, you know, come back when it. Yeah. And I think that missing that. Yeah, I respect that.
00:38:40:07 - 00:39:04:15
Unknown
You know, we are an industry with a lot of risk, but, there is help for the. Yeah. Yes. If you create the data and that goes really well, it's different than the software that gives you a recommendation or can make yourself your routine. Automate this. It's not really, you know, but so yeah, I'm hopeful that it's going to be changing if it doesn't change.
00:39:04:15 - 00:39:28:07
Unknown
You know, I think, there's going to be a lot more, you know, I think that's the it's going to take one company that has, you know, one oil and gas company that has 50 people that ends up having, you know, a multi-billion dollar valuation because they've automated the the best work of, of the industry like regulatory and.
00:39:28:09 - 00:39:59:14
Unknown
Okay. Right. So yeah. For modeling. Yeah. Data sets I yeah. Yeah. So it's it's happened. Yes. With yeah, yeah. It's happening the market that's getting more of that. Right. So some that like you. Yeah. It's very challenging. But you are right. I mean, this is, you know, changing the way involves a lot more efficient, faster.
00:39:59:19 - 00:40:24:06
Unknown
And, you know, this is much easier, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's going to be well, and I mean, just from an industry perspective, we have so much and I mean, on the on the global scale, it's still not that much data compared to Netflix or Facebook or TikTok, things like that. But we have so much data that has never truly been documented.
00:40:24:06 - 00:40:50:10
Unknown
Right. Like it's in a PDF, it's in a well file in a filing cabinet somewhere. And it's like if one engineer knew that that data, who knows what, you know, other decisions they might make. And so I'm super optimistic from that perspective that, you know, we're going to get so much smarter about what we have already and what's downhole and what the rock looks like, and the geology and all of that stuff.
00:40:50:12 - 00:41:27:08
Unknown
Right, right. People want to follow you all have a, you know, long as the ten cities, right? So or to call okay, this is an AR. Yeah. Right. I mean that's to do it this all right. You're gatekeeping it. Yes. Becoming a science or if other science is being available to. All right. I, I do appreciate it, for you to say, I, I would like to hear that, but you might, if there are few exist, but you cannot even remember all of it.
00:41:27:08 - 00:41:50:04
Unknown
Right. So now do you have a tool of that move and lock. Right. You know, if I'm getting the access. So, you can use it in your industry, within your company, within your home, in terms of the knowledge that. Yes, yes. This was. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. With any new technology, new, docs and but it's right.
00:41:50:06 - 00:42:17:20
Unknown
If you don't know what it is, if someone read, so you better, you know, that's my point, right? Like the genie's out. It's not going away. No. You know, we need to, you know, like you. Yeah. Why? We are leveraging it has our life and that's our industry. That's the, front of me, etc. but at the same time, we need to make sure we put something about that every day, you know?
00:42:17:22 - 00:42:46:08
Unknown
Yes. With all new technology, that's how it works, right? Yeah. I'm pretty sure when the car was invented. Oh my God. Right. And it's not that I'm not. Yes. You don't. We both houses fix it up. So you know. But right now they drive themselves you know 100 years later they're driving themselves like truly unbelievable.
00:42:46:10 - 00:43:08:14
Unknown
When you boil it down. But also one of the things we kind of do at the end is kind of get into, kind of what, what tools and stuff you guys are using or just your personal experiences on the, on the tech side. So kind of, with what you're willing to share. What what kind of, what's in your stack or what what what tooling are you guys using on the, on the software side.
00:43:08:18 - 00:43:52:03
Unknown
So the personal side, as I said, ChatGPT cloud, I use a lot, I, we built a survivor. I was very comfortable. Yeah. Like, I, I don't I it's mostly me. And then I was, but, internally, obviously, we started software. But that's very limiting. So, if we are not a software company, if you absolutely make sure you enhance, so that, the more you tend to identify candidate as you were doing that.
00:43:52:05 - 00:44:18:04
Unknown
Okay. Why you're doing this. So that actually identify you can actually take these ones for further collecting more data. Because some will be more, so very soft. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Do you find any of them leading towards like, quad code or Codex or anything either way. Yeah, yeah. Yes. All of the above.
00:44:18:06 - 00:44:46:15
Unknown
Yeah. Have you played with any of the open source stuff yet at the moment? Most of it, yeah. So have you use like any of the harnesses? Okay. Okay. Perfect. I love that. Some foreshadowing here, folks. You heard it first. That's awesome. No, I just think we agreed, limited. Yeah. No. That's fine. Okay, so we'll switch to that.
00:44:46:15 - 00:45:19:05
Unknown
Marketing is part of my department, so that's that works. Yeah. That's perfect. No, that'll be a perfect clip for, for ad, in fact. But, okay, so at the end, we kind of just do like a speed round, so just random things about you or your life. What is your what's your favorite restaurant and to go to in Houston, like, if some if someone's coming in from out of town and you want to take them some whether it's, you know, Mexican or I mean Houston, Houston has great food.
00:45:19:06 - 00:45:46:04
Unknown
I'm sure there's probably some Iranian food here, too. It's unknown how many great restaurants we have here. Normally people go, oh, I don't Manchester's here. I do like a Mexican. So it's, we go for Mexican. That is, Bay because it's like home. So we also, you know, like some places.
00:45:46:06 - 00:46:12:13
Unknown
Yeah. Funny meetings. We go there. It's good food. I like it if I want to go, to, the other day, I had a visitor also, once was, That's, that I could go on. Okay. What's your favorite? Where should I go for some good Iranian food in Houston. Yeah. So that's what, the very good restaurant night.
00:46:12:13 - 00:46:41:00
Unknown
So, if you want more, food, like homicide, if you want to do a community to. Yeah. If you want the fine dining inside room if we're going to. Yeah. Nice. About that, the food is, the food, but the ambiance and environment and also those that. That's awesome. Now, I love to give local Houston sports some shout out because it's good.
00:46:41:00 - 00:47:00:18
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. It's special. I mean, there's just like you said, there's so many. Right. Like it's and, and this one is open more than a year. That's very good sign ups. And if they're not good. Yeah for sure. Well now and like in Houston is one of the few places you can go where it's like, I can go find Armenian food, I can go find Iran.
00:47:00:18 - 00:47:29:23
Unknown
And it's not it's I have a surprise how many in The Onion? And this was out here. But did I let it? Community. Yeah. What's your favorite man? There's there's so many. And, you know, I've been in we're in old Katy, so I've been out there seven years now, and so I'm still, like, behind Bucky's and, like, just past 99.
00:47:29:23 - 00:47:50:22
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'm living the suburb life as far as the restaurant. The restaurants. Yeah. Okay. He has a bunch of good restaurants and stuff, but not quite the, the diversity of restaurants that we've got here in town, unfortunately. But now I still love going to, got, Nino's just popped in my head, but that's.
00:47:50:22 - 00:48:16:23
Unknown
Now I'm thinking of, the the I know, I know, I know, it's fun when people ask me questions because, that that doesn't happen a lot, but, now the the Mediterranean deli, there's one downtown and there's one out on the west side off of, highway six or right by highway six. Phoenicia. I love going to Phoenicia for, like, lunch because it's always good.
00:48:16:23 - 00:48:49:06
Unknown
You can get anything. All right. What's your favorite, vacation spot? Normally, as I'm getting older is changing, but I used to say so. I like it when you like that. I haven't been right. It it's either, you know, with your search and your Google. Yeah. I mean, for two days. Right. Just walk around etc..
00:48:49:08 - 00:49:15:01
Unknown
But depending on the, you know, I'm very kind of southern, you can but you know that you have a combination up and a beach. Yeah. But so where would you recommend and like south of France or France? Yeah, I love me. Yeah. I said, you know, that sort of an area I think is very accessible, very good weather.
00:49:15:03 - 00:49:39:16
Unknown
Yeah. But if you also, you know, that's the more I explore Latin America. Yeah. I love Latin America. It's especially in Houston. It's so easy to get to. It's very hard to beat, events, skiing. Couple of years ago during summer in, Argentina. Oh. That's awesome. Yeah. And this year, and, you had to, see that?
00:49:39:16 - 00:50:03:14
Unknown
Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's awesome. So new area I like to explore, but no, I'm the same way. I, I worked for, a company that was spun out of the RFP in Paris for a little while, and I was always jealous because every summer they'd all be off for two months, all going down to the south of France.
00:50:03:14 - 00:50:30:07
Unknown
And I'm like, oh, that's nice. I'm okay. Northern country, they go away in July. I live in. Yeah. So I say they joke, they did joke. I make a plan for you no longer. Right. You're not going to get anything done by the end. Of these northern July, southern August, and this is.
00:50:30:09 - 00:50:56:18
Unknown
But yeah, yeah. We don't we don't do that, unfortunately. Yeah. We need to learn that. But, God, I had one more question for you, and then I lost it. Oh, yeah? What are you guys, what are you looking for from from, a company perspective. Are y'all looking for, you know, investors. Are you looking for new clients, or are you looking for, you know, testers of new product?
00:50:56:18 - 00:50:58:01
Unknown
All of the above? Yeah, yeah, a
00:50:58:05 - 00:51:20:11
Unknown
they did a fantastic job, supporting for, fundraising last year. That would be more of the, some of the good things that, we've been lucky, our good example, a lot of, something like this is, is a combination of their challenges that they have.
00:51:20:13 - 00:51:46:10
Unknown
And also, you know, by now we go to work with the next I. But we have a good global, local example, but, as I said, we are expanding rapidly here in the US. The entire people here from that perspective, we are, okay. So and then, hopefully actually we've had this the toughest.
00:51:46:10 - 00:52:01:06
Unknown
Maybe. So. Hey, my big right. Yeah. It's just another few days. Then, so, North America is a big, market, for us, like, as.
00:52:01:08 - 00:52:28:04
Unknown
Seven pressing. We always, love that. And especially, I don't know, as we have don't give us just harvest. Well, give us a, handful of, Yeah, experience all together. We do lot. The challenge goes, harvest. Right? But, you know, it would be good to celebrate more, successes, for small company like us.
00:52:28:06 - 00:52:54:20
Unknown
So that's the, and most of the time mean that's expensive. Very well, yeah, but the test, actually, you know, that's a good point. The existing core of the tool, we've done enough testing has the IBM is, commercial, more than 100 right of examples. Right. So, but for the extension, for the new things that we are paying.
00:52:55:00 - 00:53:17:11
Unknown
Yes, we are looking for, more of it. This is more of, there are already actually some of the ideas that we started to just let us go. Well, yeah. You ready to see? Yeah. That's awesome. We are very excited with that. But, hopefully we can test everyone right now. Yeah, that's that's the hardest part.
00:53:17:11 - 00:53:37:12
Unknown
I feel like of our industry, you can have a great product and a great technology, and you still have to overcome the, Well, you're new, so you got to jump through every hoop and do the dog and pony. What do you. Yeah. Yeah. Are you taking a lot of rain right now? Yeah. That there is something there.
00:53:37:13 - 00:54:01:13
Unknown
Right. So again, the safety etc.. So there's, you know, risk involved. So I understand the hesitant, but didn't that become so such a big part. Right. The things that actually doesn't harm you, you might actually believe, you know. Yes. That's right. I mean, some people miss each opportunity, that's for sure. Now it's like I said, it's such a hard dynamic.
00:54:01:13 - 00:54:25:23
Unknown
But definitely helps when you have something new and different and, and, and better. It's seemingly, so awesome. Where can, where can people find Blue Spark if they want to reach out? Or where can I find you? Our website spark, energy com. It's, easy. My information is available there as well. Ourselves to, execute that.
00:54:26:01 - 00:54:54:13
Unknown
I'm, linking, literally right in the energy corridor. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. We do have, a link to. Yeah, my my social. Yeah. Reach out. You can share my information. Perfect. Thank you so much for coming on, guys. Thanks for joining us for another episode. We will see you guys next time. Appreciate it. Thank you I appreciate it.
00:54:54:15 - 00:55:06:14
Unknown
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