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Unknown
Well, guys, we are back with, a special episode. There's my superlative this week. It's not always. I mean, we have a good guest. It's no discussion. Of of energy by. It's. I'm here with my my trusty co-host, Bobby Nealon. What's going on in from and from the needful Richmond area. Appreciate you joining us. Yeah. Checking in today.
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Unknown
But more importantly, we're here with with two other John's. So we've got John Cubed. That'll be the first John jerk. I'm sure many today. But I'm the only weird one. And well I don't know. It depends on if you think the spelling is weird too or not. It's just that, yeah, that's true. The h. Well, I'll, I'll let you kind of introduce yourself real quick and then I'll tab John as well.
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Unknown
Yeah, sure. No problem. I'll keep it brief. About John Harper. Been with Eli for 11 years. Started with Halliburton right out of college or down in South Texas, out of the Allis District, back in the conventional vertical frack days. Then kind of moved around a little bit from there. Word for Fairmount Central, doing mining and resin coated sand and Rezko, Providence.
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Unknown
And then went from there when Weatherford started their frack division, went over there, for a little while. And then when frack tech, which is turned into FTS international, which is now owned by Pro Fracker, was bought out by Pro Frack, went with went with them, and was the regional southern regional sales manager at that time during that boom.
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Unknown
And then, broke off, broke stride a little bit and went with company that was working on CG diesel fuel back prior to when that really took off is about six years too early. And so that was kind of before the whole ESG movement. And then, so that one of those companies too. Yeah, that's what that meant to me.
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Unknown
Phenomenal technology. We did a lot of pilot programs at that time. It's just nobody was really ready to adopt, I guess. Frack. Yeah, well, it wasn't gas frack. It was just fueling the pumps, you know, on it. But you know, you the substitution rates and the conversion kits, they were still trying to dial all of that in with the technology.
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Unknown
There was a lot of methane slipping. We can go into that. But, so, you know, then pivoted and then came to work for Mr. Elliott, Alien Associates at that point and been here 11 years. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, then that teaser is up for Mr. John Healy. I mean, I don't even know that you need an introduction, but, you know, most, most notably known, I would say for my generation, our generation of the oil fields, for Elion Associates and being basically a frack legend.
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Unknown
So thank you for for being with us here today. You've got I think I saw over 80 patents. You've you've got the SP lifetime achievement and legend of Hydraulic Fracturing awards. You've done everything from frack chemicals to, blowouts and oil control. And I don't even want to know how many wells you guys, as Eli as a whole, have probably fracked over the years.
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Unknown
It's probably under the hundreds of thousands, if I had to guess. But, thank you for being with us today. Oh, it's good to be here. It's, I'm super exciting. This is kind of like meeting, meeting one of your your heroes. So super excited about about today. But, I've also got some questions from our community that I'll ask you at some point, but I just wanted to kind of get into it.
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Unknown
So. Yeah. Where are you from and how'd you how'd you get into the the oil field? Well, like you, you when you hear where I'm from, you probably know where I'm at. I'm from Duncan, Oklahoma and back in Oklahoma. And they have, McDonald's at that time. So you work for Albert now? I worked at, food station or something like that, but I'm wanting to be a doctor.
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Unknown
Didn't have the money, didn't have my background. Ended up running out of money and getting sick from school, and that's all. He's one of our really rich. All right, chemists that were in Halliburton research then. So I started my dream and went back to school and got my degree and gotten into fracturing research. New alchemy.
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Unknown
Yeah. And Kim, just chemistry. She got it. But, it was a it was a really great time. It was a time when the industry had the energy at that time, and it had not really even introduced cross-linked fluids. And we had some really dumb things going on. 80 pound. I think the first got no argument. Come on, weeks go guys.
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Unknown
For the first course I could and, yeah, totally man. And that can't be right. Yes it is, right. Like I, I did it a lot, but. Oh, by age, three fracking fluid. My jailhouse, summaries. I call it my reply, but it's not 80 pound gel. It's crazy. And, and lots of things go there, but as far as going up in the company, or course of the crossing fluids.
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Unknown
But then I got the opportunity to develop, the first high temperature crossing cyclonic. It was a linear commerce secondary jail cell called high jail. And that went on for about 6 or 7 years in the industry, high temperature fluids where you had a base fluid and secondary fluid. And what so neat about it is you almost never screened out.
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Unknown
It is carrots and carrots and, and but it's expensive, right? Cellulosic and so forth. But it wasn't any politics. Now burn them. But if you didn't have a Ph.D. or you didn't have an engineering degree, you were not going anywhere very fast. So I got an opportunity to go overseas as a district engineer. And they told me no.
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Unknown
So it was in South Iran. So I spent a couple of years there, and maybe I'll shut up and we can go back into my career later on. But that's kind of how I got started. You know, that's very I know that, apropos right over the weekend. Yeah. Actively in conflict with each other pretty different times back it was, the Shah was in power, the original Shah, and it was safe, at least to was we thought it was safe, but varied over time.
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Unknown
The Iranian people were good pokes, and some of their power people were, in fact, when when I go work hard in 79, I offered to go over there and they'd give me a rifle, and I said, I'll shoot you. I mean, they so going to take over about Halliburton and then and over time I laughed so hard.
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Unknown
But it was an interesting time. Yeah. So I assume most of that kind of big conventional type projects out there. Oh, it it was in fact, most of it back then. It was, primarily asset. Okay. Yes. It back and so forth. And I managed to escape from Iran and moved over to Bahrain and then later to Dubai.
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Unknown
And they were very different places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, Hampton, interesting place to work and live and had a lot of them both in, and they let me do pretty much what I wanted to do. And that was, that was very foreign. And I got involved my first blow up and. Yeah. So let's talk about that because I think the oil control side is still one of the most, like, fascinating pieces of the industry to me, just because it's there's so much it's true engineering, right.
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Unknown
Like we've got so much copy and paste stuff going on in the shale side that's like every blowout is unique. Every problem is unique. And it's always it was cookie cutter. What what had happened is, how are drilling well offshore nearby. And it's surprisingly they drill into a shallow high pressure gas zone. And long story short, very soon, and I'd rigged burn out, but the rig escaped, and they actually got into, below the surface of about 200ft of water.
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Unknown
And how do you control a well like that? Well, you have to do it directionally and they had lots of probe. I've written a paper I that we can't have any major interest in it. And, Conoco was the operator and because of my background and, polymers, I came up with an idea of having five. That blowout there was direct pump, very resilient fluid because it's very permeable zone.
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Unknown
And we shipped 1 million pounds HTC polymer in some crossing gel and built a big man that was just, like, a general way. It's got a whole factory on there for me is fine because that I may run blender and, we were killing the well and having great fun had it come in the way it's described. And when a management of the operating company, I should have mentioned it myself.
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Unknown
But anyway, come in. And he decided he wanted to go get a Toslink gel, which is not good. And the fire came back up and anyway, a little later on they ordered another million pounds smaller and I had it was it moves over a line you were talking about, but, anyway, the night before we go out and do the second kill come up, huge storm and it broke a jack jack up.
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Unknown
But, the jack up didn't break. But a girl, she broke loose, crashed into her jacket, and socket and kill a guy. Oh, shit. When the sun came up, the fire was out. So what happened? There is big small cavities above the the perusing animal, and I guess they collapsed. And we got there and pump 30 or 40,000.
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Unknown
The same engine. Never saw it or something. That's wild. But there was, there is. And that's for publication on that. So I was that was kind of an interesting time humor. I mean, this is me out of ignorance. And you talked about how would you do another million pounds of polymer? Me like that, just sitting on hand, like, I mean, like where they get it, especially back then, Hercules was a supplier and they were very happy.
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Unknown
Yeah. But, we moved, at 747 loads and 200,000 pounds farm and come over and loaded into tanks and then sent out I War to Main feeder. And and it was where you, Joe in tanks back then. Oh, no. And this was on the fly because they had like lightning. This little guy saying, you know, I had used before and it was a neat thing.
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Unknown
That's pretty cool. Maybe another thing for our some of our listeners too, is like, and I think most of us know this, but like, clearly frack is not new. Yeah. No, that's that's like that's one of my questions is just in general kind of how is you've been in for a very long time. But in even in my career, the last 15 years, it's changed a bunch on the unconventional side.
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Unknown
But, you know, I think a lot of people, I've had the luxury of working for some conventional, specific frack companies. And I learned the most about frack working for those companies because it is it. Everything is unique in a general sense. There's a lot more engineering that goes into it. And so, you know, just over your career, what have been some of the biggest changes for the good?
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Unknown
Also some of the dumbest things you think or currently doing or have done. You mentioned something dumb. Yeah. That's frack. You know, that came out in the 60s and it was Halliburton embarrassed some of that. Well, and come out with them way that they were entitled to Joe, propane and AG right. LPG and of they weren't ever done that whole and mixed in with it.
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Unknown
And I got a lot of fun in working with that. But, guess what? If you pump a little bit of jobs in tight reservoirs, they don't work, Kevin, to find out. But our whole industry gets it. And you know what's really bad sad about that is 10 or 15, 20 years later, here it comes again. And I had people tell me that, oh well, it's non damaging.
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Unknown
So no matter how much damage you have, none damaged surface area. It doesn't have any, any volume to it. It ain't going to work right. But they've been lots of millions dollars spent on that kind of thing. And there it's there's a lot of other fun things to talk about. But as far as changes, it's been amazing.
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Unknown
My, first job was near an that Texas is about 15 degrees, about 30 mile an hour winds, of course. And out there where the track fluid down is and buffered. And I told my trainer I need to put or core gas in the tank. And he looked at me like, you idiot, and but anyway, we got started until we started adding, rivers and to that point, and we're pretty good in that or so.
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Unknown
And we had page ten said in neutral. But, we, we work with people on the ground. And I got a trader standing out there running it, and later on we got sophisticated and had a fracking all over, and we had strip charts, we had and communications way town power. Everyone just signals on people. And I almost got kill.
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Unknown
I come on okay. And started making signals and that didn't work very good. But, we got we got communications, but it was always a scary time is. And at one time in West Virginia, where a pump and, our competition for gas frack was vapor frack. We came up with the deal. Now methanol was sell to.
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Unknown
And I mean on these guys, I do not. If we shut down, you got to not come back on have you come back on your find out to dry standing or pump more. Good. Well, you know the rest of the story. We had five fluid ends blew. Oh, and the woman said don't do this communication right. And the way they had said the trader was, I've talked to a guy who was the lead guy who talked to pump operators, who stood on pumps, by the way, and by the time they got there and they'd already started up and shrapnel going everywhere but communication.
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Unknown
Long time I can remember, high level, was telling me, that said, you know, these hike vans are further just a thing of the past. They're going to go away. Yeah. You know, we all enjoy standing out in the rain. And what so know, so forth. But you said something earlier that and I've really been on people where you learn about fracturing is been there and being in charge knowing what's going on.
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Unknown
Maybe getting over here myself. I love what's going on with control. I love the the ultimate control and how much efficiency has gotten better. But somewhere in that mix, there needs to be a human. And if you don't have a human to do a few checks and then we'll get into a bigger discussion, is do something about optimizing the fluid you're pumping said appointment the same thing, and you stop.
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Unknown
And there you go. For that. You park in the sand and rush that you pumping the wood for, you know, coal miner, etc., etc.. And God punishes all of your people. Some they call heterogeneity. You can move, you can move around sometimes 100ft. Yeah, yeah. And y'all just different. Yeah. But we have techniques and we can evaluate do what I call Newtonian, fluid efficiency tasks during the job.
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Unknown
And take a lot of time. You figure out what Lakoff off is, you can control what you're doing. And then when, over the years, we learn ways to optimize to make things better, not just pump. Hi, John. Hey. Hey. And I worked several days, have a new customer all excited about somebody, and they gave us a deal to to design and optimize a treatment and spent behind days and came up with a way we optimized treatment and presented it all on the same call.
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Unknown
And they looked at us and said, oh, it looks interesting, but we want up one. We all do. And my man wrote, shock. All right. Yeah. You know, and in fact last last week, or two weeks ago, we, I make a presentation and, I asked the crowd, I said, how many of you have seen a fracture line on your on your arm?
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Unknown
I asked, well, and there was a dearth. Nothing. So what do they what are we doing? Pump the same thing that jumbo pumped. You know, sometimes. That's right. And and what are we going to get a result. Yeah. You pump 42 francs and a. Well, it's that one John was talking about earlier. You're going to get is it Omnium?
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Unknown
That's the way we move things to the better, is we put some science in some way that we've done it before. We know. And now we've got history. We can talk about that. Yeah. No, I mean, I think that's even, like I said, even in the last 15 years, just on unconventional moves, the the amount of change that's happened around design, around clusters, around even the profit and fluid types.
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Unknown
Right. Like no one runs cross-linked anymore, which is crazy to me. And then I've had multiple people on prior, you know, conversations talking about how we need to bring back gel. He's like for, for width and certain things and, you know, near wellbore stuff and but then he's like in the same note, I couldn't find a service company that has a blender or that has a hydration unit that could even run the job if I wanted to, which is also terrifying at the same time.
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Unknown
And so I'm curious, what are you of kind of the modern stuff. So the the tighter clustering, the bigger jobs, more fluid, pretty much all white, 100 mesh don't care about sand. Properties anymore. What of those things do you think we're over? We're getting wrong or where we're overlooking. If you think they take water Revolution as we call about 20 years ago or whatever it was, came about because of technology.
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Unknown
Maybe you need a quick read, some of the books, but mention anything particular. But there are some really dumb things out there. It was done because one of the major operations, there were several people look at and said, we're tired of trying to make the Barnett you work well. There's got to be some plug can do. And then it was a Tuesday morning pop water.
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Unknown
What do we pump really bad saying. And you know what. And then I'm, I put that thing together. But it works. I had this discussion last week because as a people, maybe they were just people, but they might have been trying to develop a new generation. Sand what codings and so forth. And I said, well, when you pump 20 million pounds or something in a job, it's kind of hard.
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Unknown
And I said, he said, well, how did people figure that out? I said, well, we work for a company in South Texas that was in the Haynesville, you know, the handle, not the shell formation, 12,000ft down V one gradient. And of course, they were gearing up to run mark side, present code and everything imaginable. And they did on job and they looked at the ticket.
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Unknown
Oh my God. And this manager said, to hell with that. We were on saying, we'll tell in Mexico, we'll pull out of the river. Right. That's what they're doing now. I'm it right out of the red, right off side. And, guess what? That them leaving out little details. If I had the small sand or better than the mark time or matter cheaper.
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Unknown
Guess what? You know. And then we got to these real intuitive people and said, well, this is good. Oh, much is better. So we get our crazy while, and then we get a lot of good ideas. So you mentioned the cluster and what's the spacing in the clusters and what's the this is the overall perforate and oh I know me better.
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Unknown
We did several and we got some machines that we perforated, based on our flowers and we perforated fractures and we kicked birds. But at kind of that was before AFM. I got to be a real time situation, and got away from it. But we published some of that recently, and. Whoa, 440,000 barrels isn't bad for, 100, 3000, 4000 for lateral, what, 11 jobs?
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Unknown
Yeah, not too shabby. It's pretty interesting, but it's, you know, we we've gone down once and things are in excess. And I think, I think sometimes we can, in many cases, kind of lost our way when you, when you don't even think about, well, you know, like or it's good because that's what, BP or Chevron or Exxon or knows.
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Unknown
All right. Well, who told them to write that one? You know, it's it's interesting and it's been really interesting for me for up until the last 6 or 7 years, I was in the field much more, and I was in the office, and I loved it. And you can control what's happening. You can be on top of things.
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Unknown
It's, it's a different world now, for sure. We're trying to move all the people out and and sometimes that's a good thing. Sometimes we we get them. Mind. Yeah, yeah. I think the, the most fascinating thing for me just on all this in general is just the multivariate, yeah, aspect of it. And there's just and I think why people have probably just gone to the, the geometric designs and just, you know, just for business on repeat is like, how can you even like tell if it was the frac design that impacted it?
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Unknown
Was it the frac design was always going to be? Was it the spacing? The stacking? Was it the lateral layer was always going to be someone that throws out the like properties to you. Is it how you flow the well back like I mean there's by the time you get to a point where you can say this was a good.
00:23:47:17 - 00:24:08:20
Unknown
Well, I think people are like, yeah, I don't know if it was the frack or this or that. Something like, they're going to put their hands up and say, well, you know, it works well enough. So let's just, you know, we when we can predict the pricing. But like, we're not we haven't gotten into like stage by stage optimization and like, you know, and divert and all these other thing, you know, but it's just like there's so much to it.
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Unknown
And then like, you talk about the geology and it's like, I mean, I know we had some, good results at Ingres and Mill, like in an area that was kind of away from like infrastructure. But we knew that there was some geology where if we frack too big, we're going to get into a zone that has a lot of water, and then we're going to be screwed because we can't offload the water.
00:24:28:06 - 00:24:52:11
Unknown
So now was like, there was that some actually true frack design that came in that tour. Like, how do we keep it more near wellbore, like keep it in zone? And I think that's probably where some of the bigger, you know, optimization comes in where it's like there's things downstream of this that, it impacts. I know there's a lot to unpack there, but just like it's just a way I can move in, my brain gets going on this like, man, how are you even, like as a math guy, a data guy, like, how do I even quantify was it this or that?
00:24:52:11 - 00:25:23:07
Unknown
And we had a lot of knobs that what's right and I had because sound like everybody else nowadays. That's where I could come in. You got to understand somebody and like Dan or something said, oh, we got all this massive mammoth server side of all this, but plug it in and use it. Well, if you had any experience with downhole pressure versus Earth Day, you know that, that they go work.
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Unknown
And sometimes if you know all the factors involved, and I think a pretty intensive, load throwing in the factors and having somebody intelligent who knows what the hell I'm talking about, we have we have a lot of problems in the industry. Again, give me a chance to say thing. You know, I hear I've heard so, so many things for that far.
00:25:46:17 - 00:26:19:14
Unknown
Field stress and uncertainty serves our stress. Shadowing. Yeah it was it need sound their words. Do they really mean anything in a land or sea rock. Where to only thing where you can't be thing into it is you got a rocket and you're going, yeah. You can't get crescendoing. I'm sorry. And the other thing is a problem. It's a reality, is that I see, and I've been on lots of jobs where somebody would say, oh, well, look what happened there.
00:26:19:16 - 00:26:46:09
Unknown
I look over there and and you know which way it's totes or something, you know. And they said it was downhole lantern, you know, to show you on the tree exactly where the chemical comes up and this song goes down. But we have the ability now to take massive amounts of data and have some able humans that can look at it and tell you whether it is reasonable.
00:26:46:09 - 00:27:16:09
Unknown
So forth. We have some real good, certainly ballpark, if not better, friction. The deal goes on with, operations. As always. Have fun. Thank me for tell me how many lines I got open, and I just pumped 150,000 miles of sand and and they use, a low number of perforations. I wonder how much that is still there, you know, and, and and it's it's very difficult.
00:27:16:09 - 00:27:39:07
Unknown
And why so little pre job diagnostics checking into it without getting sand or anything involved can go a long ways to get help. When you do what you do now you don't want to get into, well day defenses at home. Three barrels of fluids. I'm I'm I'm very positive about that. But anyway, I'm I'm talking too much, you know, you're not.
00:27:39:12 - 00:28:02:04
Unknown
Not at all. That's the whole point of this is to talk. But, so let me ask you this. In your opinion, what's what's the most like what's, diagnostic, whether it be a defect or an effect, that not enough people are doing, especially considering, like, all of these, all these diagnostics are so minuscule from a cost perspective on the AP.
00:28:02:06 - 00:28:23:17
Unknown
Like, I could I could go off on a whole diatribe about why the industry should be spending more money on diagnostics. But every design that we put out is, I recommend they run on this is highly expansive, very complicated. They go, you run a couple hundred barrels a typically if you can get away with it, get substantial rate and leave the freakin race, leave everything out.
00:28:23:20 - 00:28:47:17
Unknown
Make sure the holes loaded and make NIO shut down and watch them get your eyes IP find out you got any? Talk to us. See what your fall off square time. Calculate foot efficiency. Calculate the man. That's. And that takes about ten minutes. He took out human and then you can go forward. But hell we only need bad wings.
00:28:47:17 - 00:29:14:03
Unknown
We start saying when we have mountain pumped in fluid. Yes. And what happens when I'm saying it's formations? Then you have all these pressures. Let's say you say that's near. Well, more well you know, it's bridging and you're not getting distance when we run what we call water for actually boy runs visors. We say this fall off with sand concentrations, we see what's going on and what I believe that's that's a better way to go.
00:29:14:03 - 00:29:35:00
Unknown
Actually, you run this is really going to be able to say this where we actually run less sand and perform equally well or better. And then you can, if you decide probably you need to run some bad, but that is a waste of time waiting to happen again. No way. Well, no, it to us to what we're saying.
00:29:35:00 - 00:30:10:10
Unknown
I experience in May saying yeah, what about the profit side of things? Because that's, you were talking about running bauxite and the Haynesville, and I've. I will be happy if I never have to frack another Haynesville. Well, again from coming from the services side because I, I, I don't know how anyone on the service, I've made money fracking the Haynesville back in those days when I mean, because you'd have to have 30 pumps, half, you know, and then another half dozen staged because you wasn't if you were going to blow a fluid in, it was just when, when or when a chicken was going to wash out because you're sandblasting it at 12,000 p.s.i.
00:30:10:12 - 00:30:37:20
Unknown
Well, I, you know, I have a theory and I think it's right, that when you get to a certain very low permeability, I think we have enough data to prove that's correct, that you don't get any crushing, you don't have any drama. And in fact, I have my fun with this, too, is for you. I said you run this under mash.
00:30:37:20 - 00:31:05:12
Unknown
What are you using for family activity? And I'm always here for, well, for square foot. So one of run, 4 pounds per square foot. Well, since my swing set up and said, well, if you don't run that much you can't hunt it. Major, the common activity. What the hell does that have to do with anything? I believe, and I believe we got tons of data that work.
00:31:05:14 - 00:31:42:22
Unknown
We are creating complex fractures. We are popping open complex fractures with this tiny probing and kicking. But, whether it's 40 to 70 or higher measure or West Texas 71 or whatever, 7140 here. And it's it's it's it's amazing for all people in my home papers. And right now I've seen significant crushing when I have fairly similar. I've had the Middle East laugh at me when I got tenths metal bars.
00:31:43:00 - 00:32:08:17
Unknown
Right now there's some firm in there. You probably need it. I like we had some experience in the Grand or should have had where some some ran right now, all sand and then some more. About a year and a half into the well and, they decline this. It was crushing it very, very, very differently. You don't see those things worse.
00:32:08:20 - 00:32:31:06
Unknown
A why aren't we producing more? We're not getting it out far enough. And I think some of it is because and on the run up pad and now we're, we're breeding and you get good comics here in your world more do you not get that they get this from them. We in the very early days water frags. We did a lot and started to do more.
00:32:31:08 - 00:33:01:00
Unknown
This is heresy. Also, vertical slack water cracks and we've got one. And they tell you this heresy was 50, 60,000 barrels back. And 20 years ago we ran some 100,000 barrel, single size vertical frags. And our main operators that were using the indoor in the barn had, they quit running high valves because they got so much work.
00:33:01:01 - 00:33:25:03
Unknown
And there is in there's different ways to complete stack pies, I think commercially cheaper than you can with horizontals. And there's a paper about room to get. I'm not trying to say anything, but but it's out there. We, we just we had at that time people weren't doing horizontal. So we came up with ways and we were an outward center for its own.
00:33:25:03 - 00:33:49:21
Unknown
So 110,000 barrels whole and come out and these wells were very good wells. Yeah. No, I think that's the, the dichotomy of the fact that frack is so multivariate is that you still have the economic piece of it. Right? It's like, okay, maybe my crust strength is important, but by the time it is important has the well already paid out?
00:33:49:21 - 00:34:13:14
Unknown
Well, there was a couple of years ago and we looked at that pretty hard. There was some good publications where they had ran unconventional, slick water frags with just 7140 sand, and then they went back in and did cross-sectional cuts. And you could see clearly the complexity of the fracture network. And you, you, you could see what we call, you know, partial mono layering.
00:34:13:14 - 00:34:38:12
Unknown
And it was look like sand grains just stacked in a line, which proves the theory that in that case you're getting infinite conductivity. No crushing. So. Well, that's the thing. When you have no conductivity, right? Literally anything gives more conductivity than what exists in a shale. And I think it's it it's crazy to say, because there's been decades of research and trial and error that have gone into that, but that ultimately is kind of how you sum it down.
00:34:38:12 - 00:35:08:03
Unknown
Right? Like, well, there's just and there's so much opportunity out there with lower than micron RC formation. They're just sitting out there and they got to be yeah, we've done some work and place back east where they know a big tractor, they're almost 20,000 pounds. There's a big right. And they went, that's when we gave 100,000 pounds.
00:35:08:05 - 00:35:36:07
Unknown
And it's amazing. So what I even some of the real hyperbole stuff that had, problems with, paraffin or they had problems with scaling if you crack past that, that's, that's what the early fracturing is all about. They, sent me a paper. They said fracking at Halifax is good or something. It's about 1949, our community. And I read it and the biggest job they did was 12 sacks of sand.
00:35:36:08 - 00:36:16:09
Unknown
Well that's insane. Yeah, but, you know, they open some past, right? Right. That's great. Right. But if you got something low probability, you got to have sufficient. Well, I am, you're doing a comment about about cost. Like, John Mahoney zones in South Texas. How many hundreds of Bickford and Wilcox. Yeah, what formations we frack and where we may live and building permit prop and transport fluids and testing them and doing and doing pre and post fracking.
00:36:16:09 - 00:36:39:11
Unknown
Valuation, you know, see much of that and you know, you know well especially those right. Like that will especially in South Texas that's super high pressure high town and that's those are gnarly. That's black iron stuff. I'm glad I never had to do those. Very challenging amazing. But will you learn so much from what you do. As far as you elementary and so forth.
00:36:39:13 - 00:36:55:10
Unknown
But anyway, speaking of some of the depth and the temperature, I saw that, y'all got some work with like some of the geothermal stuff as well, I mean. Right. Yes, sir. So how's how's that been? I mean, it's because it's kind of everything old is new again, but at the same time, like, it's it's kind of a new frontier.
00:36:55:10 - 00:37:24:23
Unknown
I mean, like, what has where are you seeing as the biggest challenges on the, on the geothermal side. Well it's more probably more on the drilling. Yeah. Major okay. On that because can't agree water too bad you know. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. You know and and and again staying with the same topic Robin but the problem a challenge of there is because of the ultra high temperature, getting here because you still have that problem and and getting that same as down.
00:37:24:23 - 00:37:47:19
Unknown
So isolation is a big problem. But that's exciting stuff. Yeah. And it's kind of it's counterintuitive to what like unconventional. So you don't want communication. But the key driver is communication. Yeah okay. It's you know in creating the massive fracture network between the two world wars so that you can cycle the water down, let it be exposed to the heat and recover and pull the steam off.
00:37:47:19 - 00:38:17:19
Unknown
And then that that powers the electric plants and then just kind of create that like closed loop system on that. And, it's pretty it's really fascinating technology. I did a, I was I got my master's in energy business from Tulsa, and one of the classes we took was this renewables class, and I did this case study on the I forgot the title, but it was essentially the opportunity of converting deep tech, deep vertical Texas wells into geothermal.
00:38:17:21 - 00:38:38:04
Unknown
The fort, using a basically the same concept. And it's amazing how much. But like if you're an that's the thing, I think it would only work at an operator of a certain scale where they needed the PowerGen and they had tie end points to the grid and all of that stuff. But it's like if you could take, you know, and all that would or a, a liability.
00:38:38:04 - 00:39:12:00
Unknown
Well, and turn around and capitalize on it. That's so let's do that. Makes a ton of sense. And, and literally everything is generally pretty directly transposable from oil and gas to that side of things. Right? Absolutely. There's only water instead of three phase hydrocarbons, but, so maybe that part of it makes it easier. But what are you, what are the, temperature is obviously a huge challenge for, for the geothermal side from the completions perspective of it.
00:39:12:00 - 00:39:24:06
Unknown
Are you have are you running into essentially the same problem with the high temperature on the fluids piece or what are those for even look like compared to a traditional truthfully.
00:39:24:08 - 00:39:44:09
Unknown
Because once you do the formation and, it took a long time for me to prove it, there is a there is a actually Talbott Baker where we showed that this nonsense about cooling down is nonsense. In my out near real time. We've seen that with the geothermal, but most of the fluids are and they troll minds out.
00:39:44:09 - 00:40:05:10
Unknown
Are you freaking out? And they're they're not saying those temperatures till I get the information during the formation. You don't care. And maybe, maybe a little bit of transport. But when you get beyond 400 degrees, they don't burn. And many things that they can do anything or everything can. Some of them where coal mines go up for 50, something like that.
00:40:05:11 - 00:40:32:22
Unknown
But when the geothermal wells, as long as you're in the pipe and moving, you're in. Are those basically engineered completions, like back in the old frack days where you actually looked at every single well and took your time and put in the simulation now? And not to my knowledge, I'd say they are they have a program and basically they, they kind of know the perm and it's kind of nothing.
00:40:33:00 - 00:40:54:13
Unknown
And, and they can if they see any fracture very current and they know they've created fractures in their connecting. It's actually in some ways it's simpler. But when you get into power melee variations and natural fracturing and other, you call an engine range like iron Range for as a force. But yeah, as I did that. Yeah.
00:40:54:17 - 00:41:21:05
Unknown
It once in a while I get crazy down to oh. So there's an expert witness and, and I had same for you offsetting wells. And one company was running 2000 barrels of a hybrid there and was running 10,000 barrels of a second water. But this, like water had and had spacing about 500ft apart in the. And the 2000 barrels laying hands facing right.
00:41:21:05 - 00:41:47:19
Unknown
The other. And they, you know, I, I said, well how'd they turn out. Oh well I'm here all right. And you say, well nobody thought about this. Well that's what jumbo pumped and well said. And that's what we woke up and that's okay. You know it's America and we're happy to pump water, people. Sure. I'll be an absolutely long as it's not dangerous, you know, but, some things are major.
00:41:47:21 - 00:42:16:15
Unknown
Yeah. No, I, I went up, actually, with that hardhat company. Greenfield. We did a, test or like a pilot for for Devon. And this was in, like 2013, maybe. So we wrote it. All of our equipment from Katrina all the way up to Oklahoma City. And, we pull up and I vividly remember this is back when Stack and Scoop was super hot, pull up.
00:42:16:15 - 00:42:38:11
Unknown
And I remember looking around and there are three drilling rigs within a mile of this frack pad. And I was like, okay, well, I'm just the service company engineer, you know, surely they've thought of this. I didn't say anything. And I look at the design and it's like 70 barrels a minute for four hours per stage, and they're just slowly ramping up a quarter of a pound per gallon every like 30 minutes.
00:42:38:13 - 00:42:58:04
Unknown
So horribly boring, but very large volumes for back then. And, we get 2 or 3 stages in and the driller calls. He's like, I've got 1,000 pounds of pressure on my drill string. And he's exactly. You can I can literally see the drilling rig from the frack van. I was like the no. One think about this at all.
00:42:58:04 - 00:43:26:18
Unknown
And this is, you know, super early in the kind of communication days, but it's one of those things that like that happened for such a long time and people never started like it took forever for people to start correlating. Hey, maybe my the operators around us or what is causing these casing collapses, or we would get calls for that all the time when Bobby and I worked at the Gage Company is like, you know, mom and pop, conventional operator, I think I had a casing collapse that, you know, this stuff or whatever.
00:43:26:23 - 00:43:52:22
Unknown
And it was the same week that they were doing, you know, EOG was fracking next or whoever. And I think that's why. But I'm not sure. Is there any way you can help us with that? It's like, well, if you had a gauge in the well when they were doing that, yeah, probably, yeah. But you can't really ask for the fact it's, it's it's a that's one of those things that I feel like it took entirely too long for us to figure out that, like, hey, this is important and this is a system.
00:43:53:00 - 00:44:16:04
Unknown
This isn't just an individual. Well, that is in its own vacuum and doesn't affect everything around it. What do you what are your what are your kind of thoughts or lessons learned as far as the the offset parent child interaction stuff goes? Well, number one, if somebody's real close to you and they've been drained, you're not going the other way.
00:44:16:08 - 00:44:57:05
Unknown
Yeah. And that's oh, I mean that's it's crazy basic physics right. It forward whether you're using my oversize make or whatever you're using. Things propagate carbonate our latest results as it propagate into the lower pressure regions. With them come a long ways and and and by winning that sort of thing, and understanding whether it's, it's a matrix in Western where a more fractured situation many times, you know, people are looking me crazy when I say when we, we've communicated well, well five miles away.
00:44:57:07 - 00:45:17:10
Unknown
Well, I don't know how did you do that. Well, there's a crack. They went over there. What do you do about that? Well, you got be away from that crack. Yeah. We had we had tech, we had a number of, really interesting data sets where it's like, you know, multi well pad, they're all running in the same direction and they're fracking the furthest one.
00:45:17:12 - 00:45:32:00
Unknown
And it's you don't see it on the middle too. But you see it on the, the one that's furthest away. That's like yeah over a mile away from the one that you're fracking. But you don't see it on the ones in between it. They're like, how do you explain that? It's like, well, you know, you got any faults or natural fractures or anything.
00:45:32:00 - 00:46:07:07
Unknown
At times you'll see faults with that, you know, you don't know about it or like I remember when, when the, the big, Marcellus gas wells started taking off, I think Eckert and K'Nex both posted their first, like, 60, 70, 80 million a day. This was 5 or 6 years ago. And, anyway, I talked to one of the guys, and he was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's because we that, well, was on this natural fracture and it just drain the shit out of every area because they didn't get matching results on the following wells like it's, but yeah, the geology is is important to this for sure.
00:46:07:09 - 00:46:30:12
Unknown
No, I mean, I at Conoco as a reservoir tech when I first got in, one of the things they had me doing was literally, I had a spot fire tool and going in and counting the or identifying the pressure spikes on the offset wells. And we I create like our own little database of it, and then we end up getting a point where they could we we identified the parent and that child and GIS was able to, you know, create like basic lines from each oil.
00:46:30:13 - 00:46:45:12
Unknown
But like then obviously you put that on top and they put it on top of the geology and like, oh, there's the fault or those lines, right? Yeah, this is my fault. Fall on top of there. But another thing that was interesting from that, and I wanted to ask you all about was like refracting as well, because, I mean, the early days we were doing like some of the, you know, pump pretty.
00:46:45:12 - 00:47:02:06
Unknown
We're never going to call. Sure. Just go right back. And then, I mean, it was pretty clear as day it was all going out of the hill. Yeah. But now with some of the advances, I mean, just kind of curious, you know, because that's almost like you take historically bad design, and now we're trying to make it better with, with riprap, bad design and good rock.
00:47:02:11 - 00:47:20:08
Unknown
Yeah. And updated. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, bad design. I mean, it worked. I mean, like how when I got to Conoco in 2014, like, oh, these are paying out in three months around when it was when oil is $100 barrel. Much easier to get the payout than when it's at 55. Right. To maybe address your question in one way.
00:47:20:10 - 00:47:48:04
Unknown
We've been bothering multiple companies about that. And and in many of their meetings, a lot of it, it protected some of Barnett Shale was it's a fact. They went in and cleaned out the lateral water dam, little old pump bands. Amazingly, the well came back. Yeah. Perforation plumbed. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, there was all of that, you know, you need to differentiate that.
00:47:48:06 - 00:48:15:02
Unknown
But there are the the diversion. I can remember some of my first jobs in West Texas. We would drop slugs a bender, which I, I was going to one of my questions that I wrote down was, what's the craziest thing you've drawn? Yeah. Well, I know you've got a lot, lots of really crazy thing, but yeah, we drop at benzoic as a place and, and, you know, I didn't say anything.
00:48:15:02 - 00:48:36:07
Unknown
Movement. I said, well, I made me here, you know, and and we'd run pump 6 or 7 stages ball or, and and same thing and then we finally did some work. We're in the middle. He's actually off of an army war. We put some down on May day, but he just downhill and we can actually see at a certain rate a certain concentration.
00:48:36:07 - 00:48:59:05
Unknown
And we said plug in plug and it came out the hole. Now you couldn't say crap on the surface, but you could see it working. And he had them certain size flag and so forth. And you know, there's some science as far as most of the devil's reagents. I hope we don't. You mean. And we're actually located in northwest Houston.
00:48:59:07 - 00:49:23:16
Unknown
Most of them were just hope and prayer or, you know, I'm that I'm in that same boat from all the data that I've seen is for you get more, you get just as effective diverting doing a flush or, you know, shutting down. So I'm just saying. Yeah. And then there's, there are certain techniques at work. I mean, most if you've been around, maybe they're in many places and more changes and more weird things happen there.
00:49:23:16 - 00:49:51:06
Unknown
Now, since your I mean, we drill on vertical wells and fracking with I don't one one service company had seven crews hundred and 40 pound across Lancashire with her and time have sand where where was ever you know and yeah my own prison church pastor lost his mama's home putting money into when he fractured. Well, I was doing God and and they plugged it out.
00:49:51:06 - 00:50:20:01
Unknown
But, you know, some months afterwards, I was another story and time. But see, that was a chunk went from from that to and high rate water jobs and maybe a little bit, diverting and, and then open hole, wells and then, you know, finally long lasting went to plug in perf and just just like they all in the mark and have been there the Rockies.
00:50:20:03 - 00:50:42:06
Unknown
Yeah. Everybody was hung up and running 16 pound McGowan slab and, and that was diverting and then. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We're saying but I'm not saying it just it didn't work. And then they ran all the slaves populations. And so those are great. If you're if you were a field hand and you were getting stage bonuses. And so I think that is.
00:50:42:07 - 00:51:08:16
Unknown
Yeah. Right bagger plus jobs all day I remember we did we did like a 3040 stage Eagle Ford. Well in like 36 hours. All right. On for on those. And it was wonderful. It got a nice fat stage but good efficiency but yeah, yeah, yeah. I said all they were good for. It's it's interesting our industry we have we have lots of humans.
00:51:08:16 - 00:51:32:18
Unknown
We have a lot of people and everybody has an idea and and a long time ago I learned that most of the people can't see better than how I can. And many times I see pressures and utilize where they have no real me. People tell me how many corporations they have would have to counter airtime perhaps, and and 2 or 3, we don't know may prefer.
00:51:32:22 - 00:52:12:02
Unknown
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. And and you know and maybe they speak loud in control what they're saying. Right. Believe them. But they out and and and they get found out eventually for sure. But we we we have a huge amount of technology this deal on on control and getting. And we're always very exciting. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm saying about it, I think truthfully getting enough competent engineering people and taking advantage of a lot of experience that we have in the industry to evaluate is this pressure day that mean anything?
00:52:12:02 - 00:52:32:01
Unknown
Or there's a time that and then time, and then you can use a, because there's a proportion of my lab at that. Yeah, it's garbage. And, you know, but you see that as humans and take of a long term. Yeah. Yeah. And that's going to need computers to come crunch through some of that. But boy was an awakening day.
00:52:32:01 - 00:53:00:18
Unknown
And one of the more challenging jobs I ever did. It's we had a 30% hydrogen sulfide oil. Wow. And it traded down to tubing and about 15 barrels a minute and 2019 20,000 P.s.i. Jeez. And is one of the 8 or 9 wells and I and mine mine our lives where it was confined. You could see the pressure increasing with time.
00:53:00:20 - 00:53:25:06
Unknown
They wasn't breathing you even. It's good fluid. It was 300 degrees. We had good stable fluid and you could time it to. When you got to the point, you had to flush. And that's real unique. I said it, it's free. We knew I knew what the pressure was down downhill. Now you knew that blind. Yeah. In fact, consulting.
00:53:25:08 - 00:53:45:03
Unknown
I was on location. We had a, slow and summer day now. Well, intensifier multipliers, I call him, and he come in and told us we had to go on flush and we entered saying goes, well, I know, I know and slow, but you know, and law says if you're on one, one slow you have to go based on multi pond.
00:53:45:05 - 00:54:14:14
Unknown
But he he's a great guy and he knew a lot of good great things. But that was one or what gives you a cheat. And I like to cheat. But we know what the real pressure is. I've got another one. What do you you know, right now we're only recovering like five, 10% from this. What do you what's one technology or, you know, technique, innovation on the completion side that you think either we're currently doing or we could be doing to increase that?
00:54:14:16 - 00:54:39:15
Unknown
Well, a little more attention. Maybe instead of just shooting everything with a closed cluster. Why me? Take into account, imaging logs time out into the equation. We've got one day where we come with with the sweep type and with good size pads, we pumped half amount sand and get this equals outs. And that's a big deal.
00:54:39:17 - 00:55:07:11
Unknown
When you start pumping 10 million to 20 million, that's a lot. And then you get in areas where, even now with wind getting sand after dark or yet it I, I don't have many decks or get it off. I mean there's a long ways of transportation. I think we've got mayo saying I haven't seen a lot of the old everybody doing experimentation with surfactants and wetting agents and so forth.
00:55:07:13 - 00:55:34:19
Unknown
The problem there is what you said is, those formations are different. And that water, whatever the words, it's they're, they're Martians to whatever, you know, that's I've seen lots of silly things in my time worrying about space, wiring and and now large Iraq has cast dome about 18 people trying to run KCL and and it's in my control.
00:55:34:21 - 00:56:00:05
Unknown
I ran a lot of clay control and Wilcox with half a bottle now saying, hey. Oh, yeah, you better. Yeah. It's not a Fayetteville. It's what's different about this fracture, you know, and and basically everything. And I think when we try to make some these hybrids and they and they don't work and I'm saying why I got one gallon got our opening.
00:56:00:07 - 00:56:39:02
Unknown
I have a lot of problem with people have a definition a cross-linked fluid a crossing foot is something you see off the end of them. Has a baker a toe. Okay. We did a lot of work that, you know, these low concentration crossing fluids and some of them ultra clean fluids that can be mounted down by saying you, you're you're worried about, residue from the jail, and you might have 500 pounds and you're running 400,000 pounds of sand.
00:56:39:02 - 00:57:05:03
Unknown
Yeah, has a 10% crash on it. Yeah, but our industry had hung up on that for years. Majoring in the minors. Maybe, I don't know, but we've arrived. They weren't back, and we found that that wasn't a major factor. But anyway. Well, you kind of dovetail on that. You're right. I've seen a lot of publications 10 to 15% or, you know, so there's John, I've talked a lot about this.
00:57:05:03 - 00:57:23:11
Unknown
There's a tremendous amount of potential out there that's just kind of left untapped. And we've done a great job of, you know, American ingenuity of getting more efficient. I mean, we're pumping more 24 out of 25 hours out of the day. And I heard it said at the Thrive conference, you know, they said, what are you going to do to improve efficiencies?
00:57:23:11 - 00:57:50:11
Unknown
And I think it was the CEO of I kind of got a chuckle out of the CEO of, Patterson. You I said, well, I talked to a guy about that the other day, and he said, we could get 25 when we hit Daylight Savings time. So, you know, so it really kind of resonated. But I think, you know, taking a step back and putting, like John says, more, more engineering into this, especially as we gravitate more out of tier one acreage into tier two acreage.
00:57:50:11 - 00:58:12:03
Unknown
And, you know, you you're getting to this factory mode and you know, look more at the engineering aspect of the formation, the heterogeneity. You know, even the gross assumption that all shells are the same across multiple basins, you know, from the Marcellus to the wolf camps to the back end, to the back end. Right. And totally different.
00:58:12:05 - 00:58:25:21
Unknown
Absolutely. So I'm very like me, you know, I was glad you brought the Austin chalk because I was gonna think about it before you brought it up, because, I mean, being in the I was in Eagle Ford at Conoco and we were doing like lower Upper Eagle for. And then all of a sudden we started doing Austin chalk stuff and start fracking at the same way.
00:58:25:21 - 00:58:46:01
Unknown
And it just taken off, taking off. You know, just I gotta be honest. You gotta try, right? It's true. Yeah. Science. Yeah. But absolutely. Yeah. Learn from it as well. But I think that's the trickiest part, right? Is it's like, you know, other people, you can go put it in a beaker in a lab and it's relatively low risk, low cost.
00:58:46:07 - 00:59:13:09
Unknown
It's like, do you want to try out a new frack design? Yeah, you can run it through a simulation, but you literally will never know till you put it down hole and see what happens. And that's going to cost you a lot of money normally. I've got like I've got so many questions, but one, one that came from, the community was,
00:59:13:11 - 00:59:38:20
Unknown
Where are you seeing in the frack world right now that can move the needle on recovery side. And so kind of follow up to my question, around that, is there anything that you're y'all are saying specifically around increasing that recovery that anyone's having actual success with? The only way that we can increase recovery is to achieve more surface area, open to the world more.
00:59:38:22 - 01:00:08:19
Unknown
And that it sounds simple, but in reality, I think by lying to me, even some almost conventional thinking, yeah, you can pump and and not screen out. You can pump 2 pounds of items or 2 pounds or 47 with 3% pad. Now, are you getting in any sense, are you getting any with I think it's a there's a problem and that needs to be investigated.
01:00:08:19 - 01:00:35:06
Unknown
A lot more demand hundreds and hundreds of jobs done like that. Did they truly show up and and and again, the AI can be used to go into that database, but I think if we just get 2 or 3%, it's easy to increase or Kirby factor, you gotta have perm, thinking about the mentalities and well, think about nowadays.
01:00:35:08 - 01:01:06:06
Unknown
But we ransom Palmer. Control systems in the Arab day and we could get more than 90% recovery of wild. But you had to pump mobility out. Sure. And it could be done. But you can't, you know, I mean, you talking about very low probability blockchain or major league fracture. This is more of a problematic thing. I mean, just think some of the old conventional stuff you had water floods.
01:01:06:08 - 01:01:22:09
Unknown
Yeah you do that and then you get you just capture even more and more and it's like, well that was what, you know, that was one of the big like things they touted with the gas frack stuff back in the day. It was oh it's it's non damaging fluid. It actually helps with recovery because you get to flow it right back.
01:01:22:09 - 01:01:44:00
Unknown
And you could theoretically sell the gas that you just used as your fluid. But but you're also pumping LPGA location. Like I'm really glad I never had to work on those for a dangerous amount of time. I've had to like one I was thinking was, has anyone, like, held Exxon accountable? I didn't, didn't they? They came out and then publicly.
01:01:44:00 - 01:02:03:09
Unknown
And so they had some way they were going to double recovery or something like, like it was like a year or two ago still waiting for it. Well, I mean, I was like, you think everyone be on that if, if it happened and like, that's actually a pretty big deal. I'm not trying to get in trouble, but from like a sec side or somebody, it's like you make a claim like that, you get more claim to.
01:02:03:09 - 01:02:17:07
Unknown
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. That's a huge claim to double. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think that's what I said, I don't want to quote on what a, what I said, but I remember it was a pretty big deal. I was like, oh what the heck's Exxon doing that they can increase recovery by that, whatever that multiple without the coke ash thing.
01:02:17:07 - 01:02:35:11
Unknown
So that's a number. That's something I'd love your opinion on. Because to me it feels just like the EOG 100 match thing, right? EOG had a sand mine. They were mining 3050 and 4070. What is a byproduct of that 100 match. So they just had a giant pile of hundred mesh that they didn't have anything to do with.
01:02:35:11 - 01:02:52:20
Unknown
So they said screw it. Let's put it down hole and see what happens. And hey, it worked out. I feel like the coke or the I think it's Coke ash, but it's they're using, it's recovery from power plants, coal plants. Right. And they're just, you know, because they're vertically integrated and they have this as a waste product.
01:02:52:22 - 01:03:23:13
Unknown
Might not see if we can pump it out. All right. And if you're a big company and you can and you'd stand the man expands. The trouble is we've got a perfect way and I believe racial I in fact, I've had customers. It almost threw me out their office because I used to in the conventional days. One of my two things, I said, what we're saying, and, you know, I'm, I'm a high concentration in Wilcox or Vicksburg and, and there was a customer up and.
01:03:23:15 - 01:03:49:01
Unknown
Oh, it's a he's up in Oklahoma. And he was, you know, he didn't need any engineering help him pump about 10,000 barrels in, carbonate and Intel in the middle of job. He pump 10,000 pounds and and then he flush. And, you know, I was gonna go and help him out. He didn't want to go. Hey, if you looked at a production, he didn't need em.
01:03:49:03 - 01:04:12:14
Unknown
And people that say stupid things like he should know inflation or water, and that's dumb and dumber. Some really dumb things that people know. But you gotta learn. It's different when you talking about passion. Like just some the weather unstable valves at a mortgage cost like Joe. And you compare that to water or the settling is almost instantaneous.
01:04:12:16 - 01:04:36:05
Unknown
You barrel flush. Yeah. Now that's that's that's something that I, I didn't know until I went to work for that conventional frack company. Right on the shale side. You always, ever flush. Oh. Like you can shoot out if you don't ever flush. Yeah. You gotta do all these conventional jobs and, you know, gelled up tanks and, like, you get chewed out if you over flush by a barrel, it's always through three real short.
01:04:36:08 - 01:05:01:05
Unknown
Yeah. We got and I caught a lot of flak or the what we call carrot problem or an a bigger problem. First. Okay. So why the hell would you do that. That. Well, what are we home first? Go sell out. Well, for what you pump last is going over the dam. And we actually had a big major that checked it out and it works.
01:05:01:06 - 01:05:24:00
Unknown
But you know it's this is non-conventional. The people think whenever we pump it goes with it. No. If it doesn't have any transport capability it's going to drop out very quickly. I remember doing all those like in West Texas, you tail in with 100 or, resin coated. Oh yeah. You're tailing in with stuff. And I'm like, what are we doing exactly.
01:05:24:02 - 01:05:46:07
Unknown
Yeah. Right. If you if you have a piston like displacement, you they work great and big fan of it. In fact, we've done several jobs with spike Water where they have, you know, there's just some information and Mike saying okay. And we lead like hairball resin can't allow get people's attention. Yeah. What the hell are you doing? Right.
01:05:46:09 - 01:06:09:22
Unknown
Well, that's what's going to make the world more right. Yeah. It's basically a gravel pack in a way, right? Yeah, I got activity. It's good product. Okay. But if you're not in a proper development transport, if you're in a selling station, you got a banking. And then now with the thinner fluids, we get more complex and bigger, bro.
01:06:10:00 - 01:06:34:10
Unknown
Yeah. Just so people are not making things up. It was 2023. Reuters like Exxon CEO says technology advances could double its shale output, and some of it was tied to lateral, longer lateral lengths. And like how they could keep racks propped open and. All right. Interesting. That's interesting. I I'm it is it's always I've been at work with a few people but friction gets to be a serious problem.
01:06:34:10 - 01:06:54:12
Unknown
Yeah. When you get out there for a mile. Yeah. These longer lateral getting crazy. I was going to ask you about the U-turn laterals. Yeah, that's true too. Yeah, well, it's an interesting concept. I'm glad somebody else gave me, but it just seems like an operation. Real hard not to put down anything new until I get a chance.
01:06:54:12 - 01:07:21:18
Unknown
Look at it one way I judge people. If it's working, is it catching on here or other people doing it in Ohio? You know, I think we've come a long ways. The poor, we haven't come a long ways in technology and being able to optimize our fluids, their thing. We can do things. You can try. And again you got, you got you databases.
01:07:21:18 - 01:07:40:22
Unknown
But that data must be evaluated by people to know what to do right? Yeah. There's so much noise in frack data or anomalies that the computer doesn't understand, why they don't write, why you shut down in the middle of the stage. Yeah, arguably a lot of people that don't even understand what they're saying on that or, you know, patterns in that.
01:07:40:22 - 01:08:01:09
Unknown
And like John said earlier, you just assume, oh, that's information talking. And it could be literally we've had situations before where people were willing to abandon a whole stage because they were finding friction, and they were seeing on the surface trading pressure, the oscillations. And they thought that was the formation. And it turns out it was just something as simple.
01:08:01:09 - 01:08:32:22
Unknown
They were cleaning and acid towed into the blender tub and it was enough. The AFR, right. But they're ready to move on to the next stage and slip in, you know. So yeah, you know, just taking a deeper dive into understanding. And I mean, I think we've we've done, you know, like John saying on AI and where we're seeing closed loop fracturing, I mean, phenomenal technologies and great advancements and, you know, and I think a lot of that is predicated on, okay, we can build in surface trading pressure parameters, right.
01:08:32:22 - 01:08:51:21
Unknown
Parameters can add parameters. And we can we can condensed that down to where, you know, the computer can make decisions a lot faster than we can. Right. So then you're shaving time off of the job which translates to dollars. But as the elephant in the room is, is that optimizing the productivity as well. That's that's the key.
01:08:52:01 - 01:09:06:19
Unknown
That's the driver. So think I think with that. So we talked we've talked about I want to be the dead horse. But like but you guys tend to focus on the engineering side of the frac. Right. How do we optimize that side of it. But then again it's always an economic decision. Right? Right. But then like even like bring up the U-turn.
01:09:06:19 - 01:09:33:05
Unknown
Now it's turned into, it's a land decision to like there's a whole other side of this, that and and again, I think then that goes from the, you know, domestic to the international, like maybe like if you can get somewhere more like a lock and where to or something where there's less of these mineral issues and we have to deal with landowners as much where we have a more contiguous thing, like, would you do it differently on how you space and stack wells and, and know for sure, even just the spacing itself can be an economic decision.
01:09:33:05 - 01:09:48:15
Unknown
Like, I know when oil goes 100 every you know private equity backers like how tight can we pack these bad boys in. And then but then that's where we all come into. It's like, all right, well, if you want to do these this tight, here's how you need to design it versus. All right. Oil's $50 on when we didn't we needed something to make some money.
01:09:48:15 - 01:10:04:04
Unknown
But we're gonna spread them further out. And now the fracking design changes with that. Of course that's much more important at that point in time. Now the U turn one is fascinating. I'm doing a project right now for an operator up and Ohio, and I pulled in the shape files and saw the U turn well on the map.
01:10:04:04 - 01:10:26:04
Unknown
I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. And then I flipped on the unit. The unit ization layer, and sure enough, it it went right up to the unit line and turned right back around. So it was perfectly within this weird unit and like, okay, well, that's why they did that. Like isn't there like that. Well in like South Texas, some of that like I think he's at Copland or someone posted it there called The Opposite of you, months or so ago.
01:10:26:04 - 01:10:52:12
Unknown
But it was I think it's an older, well, maybe a couple years ago, but and again, it's like a weird little Texas, you know, lease or whatever. It's like triangular or something. They just kind of did the W to kind of maximize it. But I'm like, it looks great to a land man on a on a thing. But then when you guys got to come in and deal with the physics side of it, I can't fathom that doing a plug in perf job on the back side, on the, you know, the toe of a u turn.
01:10:52:12 - 01:11:10:09
Unknown
Well, for the wireline hands is very exciting and like and sounds like a nightmare to me. Having to pump guns around two dog legs over then. I mean, you're literally put yourself in a situation where you could collapse casing at the heel and totally screw yourself. I mean, now you're right, I know I got the toe matters a whole lot, right?
01:11:10:09 - 01:11:37:04
Unknown
You know? Absolutely. Yeah. You know, your geology and all that. Well, it's an it's interesting too, because it's like, theoretically that toe side should, should bound the frack that you're going to pump on the hillside, at least in that direction. But you still have the other side that it's like, are we just artificially making it worse by pushing everything over here because we've just added all this, all this frack pressure on on one side of the lateral?
01:11:37:04 - 01:11:58:07
Unknown
Who knows? But, that some of this stuff is crazy. Like I said, I just couldn't imagine having to run wire line or drill out the the u turn wells and like, not only do you have this there, but they're, they're perfectly drilled. Right. So there's no there's no deviation or anything to that. Yeah. That's smooth very smooth.
01:11:58:09 - 01:12:34:11
Unknown
So you've taught frack school for decades. I've taken the school. It's incredible. Highly recommend. What are you seeing? Where are the biggest knowledge gaps that you're seeing from people coming into completions today? Like where where are they missing? Is that the last 10 or 15 years? Yeah. It's, it's really sad. I mean, we sound like, oh, hand talking mad rooster man out or something, but you don't have an engineer on site.
01:12:34:13 - 01:13:05:10
Unknown
You have really many times. And now, we're talking about nobody on site and the people. That's fine. If you have people overseeing that and know what's going on. How many hydraulic fracturing courses have you seen in college universities? Yeah, I see one interior and the ones I've seen that people tried to teach. God help us. You know, they they're, you know, there's no practical nature to it.
01:13:05:12 - 01:13:40:12
Unknown
I think it's a time we all need to stop, but we need to think about the people that we have that are supervising. They're in charge of it, and then make sure they're not just somebody that came in our street or ran a bug. There's go have some experience. And it's tough because now we got people like me that's gone head into the sunset zone, and and take advantage that, I will tell you that there is much interest in tracks here.
01:13:40:14 - 01:14:06:15
Unknown
No, no, no, not at the moment. That's. Oh, it's crazy because, you know, like in that school you learn that the pressure is the formation talking back to you. Right. And then but then you go into unconventional and it's like no one pays any attention to pressure other than making sure it's below the pop off and you're not going to pressure out or scream out like that's all you're worried about in the field is are we going to screen out or not?
01:14:06:17 - 01:14:23:18
Unknown
But then, you know, for the part of my career when I was doing conventions, it's like, hey, here's the design, but the design is never going to be what the actual is because the person on location that's calling the job actually is changing the design based off what the rock is telling it. And that's how it should be.
01:14:23:18 - 01:14:44:20
Unknown
Yeah. And no one does that anymore. Well, even. Yeah, on the vertical days, we didn't pump a job without an effort. We wouldn't even think of it. I had a summer day. I may have been down well, early days, and he was just boss. All about pride. Because we all we do the job. Exactly like I said, just fine.
01:14:44:22 - 01:15:03:07
Unknown
He said we take a lot of pride in that. And I said, well, I take pride. Changed it. Yeah. I mean, I think I that point them well then e.g. if you're not going to change it. Yeah. And, and you know and I, I was over in France. Right. And coal seam wells and all things and I wondered why I was there.
01:15:03:07 - 01:15:38:03
Unknown
Well I figured out pretty quick. But their guy, they were supervising their tracks back in and so on had been on 355. And I said, okay, since, but tell me what you did. He said, well, pressure got to. I said, slow down. Okay. And and he was just nice guy. Then I finally asked him where is experiencing. Well, he worked in a cafe and I know some of Oregon.
01:15:38:03 - 01:16:01:19
Unknown
And I said, well okay. No. And that's and not putting anybody down or anything, but having some experience and knowing what's going on, knowing when the pressure takes off. It might be that, you know, I don't have any fractionation of terms. Operation agents in the fluid and not panicking, again and, you know, it's some experience tied to it.
01:16:01:19 - 01:16:26:20
Unknown
I it's going to be our future. But we desperately and adding the old cavalier undeterred if we can put forth like a standard database of what it should be based on no sand and you're treating any take, at the end of that and then take a database, put it in there. You might be really shocked as to who we are.
01:16:26:20 - 01:16:58:13
Unknown
So that's something that y'all are looking at, like as a legacy. I mean, I internally like me like being institutionalized. Obviously you're working the work of like, everyone that's done. I feel like, I tell you, I am I'd love to do that kind of work. No, I am an expert by any, any context. But to be able to take data and make it listen to you and pay attention to one is and see that variation into what's good and what's bad.
01:16:58:15 - 01:17:23:12
Unknown
And that's what we got, because it is complicated. Yeah, but that's that's what robots are for. They might stand up. That's exactly the shooter when they went alone. Yeah. No, that's, you know, that's why machine learning was invented. Because humans can only process so much data. So I'm very convinced that's why we built LMS is because we had so much text data that we can't manage it.
01:17:23:13 - 01:17:51:14
Unknown
And now you can use an LM to ask about it. But you're right. Like, I mean, there's been probably millions of stages pumped over just the last ten, 15 years. That treasure trove of of data, if unfortunately, it's broken up across all these different companies that don't want to share it right. You know, we, I got into a big hassle with somebody, they were.
01:17:51:16 - 01:18:16:05
Unknown
This is what they wrote to move Digital World around. We were on a gallon and a half of vaccinations and, said, what do you mean? Why? What got me sure got. Now, I said, I told you that what? You're pumping about 3/10 of a gallon and be plenty. Is that make any difference? How much fluid are you pumping?
01:18:16:06 - 01:18:45:05
Unknown
40,000 barrels. Stage time. 40. And multiply that. Times come in, as you know, just common sense. And and then to Murray, tell me. Well, we need habeas over, over. Okay. Do you know that that doesn't have as good a fresh connection as regular of hard? Try to pump more of it right. Why? I got some training for more.
01:18:45:05 - 01:19:15:19
Unknown
You got movies? Movies that there when you kiss my boys. So, yeah, it just gets, you know. But I know crap like that. Well, I worked in a lab where we develop heifers. Yeah, and that's what we did. Yeah. Literally invented it. And then you buy right off the shelf, do this. And this is, I don't like is can I like as a copolymer of Iowa and that technology and developed a whole lot.
01:19:15:19 - 01:19:49:19
Unknown
But we way overdue that. And in that stuff causes robots. It can't take them. He was they plater and we learned about a ways to break that break that but I know there's there is so much potato right now. And it's in that ways better than 10%. 1% more. Yeah. Mean I mean I do think in the last 15 years have we improved recovery factor with all the things we've done.
01:19:49:19 - 01:20:07:14
Unknown
I mean I'm sure I'm sure it's gone up. Yeah. To some degree. But because was it 6 or 8 now it's ten. I mean, well there was well I'm glad you brought that up. There was, statistic in a SP cocoa section presentation given by I think it was Jeff Kramer. And shout out to Jeff. Yeah.
01:20:07:14 - 01:20:34:13
Unknown
Sorry. Shout out to Jeff. Yeah. And I, I hopefully I don't botch it, but basically it was either him or somewhere I'd read and read that it, it was a of all the technological advances we've had and the efficiency gains and the, everything they've only seen and on average, on a per oil basis, per oil per drilling rig basis, a 2 to 4% increase in production.
01:20:34:15 - 01:20:54:17
Unknown
And so that just jogged my memory that I forget where I read that stat is. Maybe it was just a presentation or a different article. So it's also tricky because like the recovery factor should also be a function of how much actual rock you're stimulating. Right. So it's like, oh well we, we went up 4%, but we're also drilling wells twice as long as we were ten years ago.
01:20:54:17 - 01:21:24:10
Unknown
So is it I mean, yes, you're recovering more from the same reservoir, but are you recovering more because you've just had you now have more surface area. So you should you should be recording theoretically. Absolutely. Or is it because of actual the engineering side. So this actually tees up a really good question I've got for you. I feel like over the last probably 10 or 15 years, the operation side has gotten incredibly like I mean, we were doing we were we were having a good day in 2010.
01:21:24:10 - 01:21:52:18
Unknown
If we did 4 to 6 stages on a ship on a Fayetteville weld. Right, which those are super easy, right now. You know, they're getting 23 hours of operation a day. Do you think, as far as you know, shale goes, I have this hypothesis that we've we've almost maxed out the operational efficiency side of the oil field and basically the the remaining piece or the opportunity area is in the engineering.
01:21:52:20 - 01:22:09:22
Unknown
Right. Like drilling. Right? I mean, when I first started drilling rigs for an unconventional would take a month. Now we're down to 4 or 5 days, right. Like there's a limiting return on on some of those where it's like you just can't. Yeah. Now if you approve it by 20%, right. You've saved a day. You're right. Now it's not that crazy anymore.
01:22:10:01 - 01:22:36:20
Unknown
But, you know, I think I think you said you don't have to be very smart. It's hard to me 23 or 24. You know, I that's pretty high. Or saying like to be a baseball guy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But in reality there's so much you mentioned river acts. There's so much potential out there. And it takes some research to take some understanding.
01:22:36:20 - 01:23:00:16
Unknown
It's going to take some work. And it needs to be some training. I mean, I am so amazed at people are listening. Well, I'm gonna bought a house from a guy, and this is typical Neal. And he said, what do you do? Yeah. I said, well, I'm like, I'm a fat guy. And he said, oh, that's something kind of new.
01:23:00:16 - 01:23:29:21
Unknown
And and I said, sure. Back 1947, you know, and but down they only ran big jobs. And I said, well, 1982, I got a 6 million pound job. It was around second stage, 1982. Wow. He said, I can't be right. I thought, I may not buy this house. You know nothing. You know nothing about what we do.
01:23:29:21 - 01:24:03:23
Unknown
Yeah, and that's horrible. But the the industry now, and it's it's not a well, I might fault the boys tiny schools of our basic fracturing. And they. I don't know many going on. And we wonder why people come out and play the wrong color flag and and so because they've been and it's been a timeout with a hammer and knocking them chickens, that's one thing it takes from experience.
01:24:03:23 - 01:24:30:17
Unknown
It takes inside some takes training. And we are missing that. We are. That's no I think that's spot on. The fact that you can't, you know, not just find the equipment but know us, the crew, to be able to run a jail job these days is is terrifying to me. In all honesty, I know the crazy guy. The road to procedure for testing low temperature jails or 200 long.
01:24:30:19 - 01:24:54:05
Unknown
I bet we have a hard time finding ten people in that red that are doing it. And I tell people that that sort of thing. And the way we we tested so many jobs, the high temperature fan 50s and so forth, and to adapt or to raise. And you're right, as we know, one major has quit, you know, jobs.
01:24:54:07 - 01:25:20:21
Unknown
And I'd probably go pursue the other. There is a massive amount of conventional type reservoirs. That's what I was going to ask you next is what do you do? You see, so my father in law has a bunch of stripper wells up in the arklatex and stuff. And, you know, we live in very different worlds, right? He has perm my version of perm is laughable to him.
01:25:20:21 - 01:25:46:12
Unknown
Of course, his version of perm is hilarious to me because I can't even comprehend what Darcy perm or Darcy perm looks like. But I do think that, you know, as we run out of core shale acreage or whatever, you know, obviously there's going to be people focused on increasing the recovery factor for shale. But I do think that there's there's kind of an UN, people are starting to play around with it.
01:25:46:14 - 01:26:10:02
Unknown
There's this untouched opportunity or overlooked opportunity of like tight conventions applying what we know and what we've learned from unconventional is to tight conventional play is that, you know, vertically, you just don't have enough perm foot to do anything with. But if you can increase that even by 100, you know, or 10ft to 100ft or ten feet to a thousand, amazing.
01:26:10:04 - 01:26:43:01
Unknown
We generally have a new customer. And I might allude to him earlier that, he's in an area like that at really high Perm, but he was really hung up on sink water. And I said, well, you know, we'll we'll back something that the guy could have been more excited because we the fact as well and married traded at 2,000 pounds and 40 barrels man.
01:26:43:01 - 01:27:11:20
Unknown
It's like it's sand pressure and 10,000 barrels. And the. Well when going into three barrels a day when they got it back on production, maybe 20 barrels a day and hey, we're going to bring mafia down, give me some money, you know, in the palm of my hand because of water around and below and that sort of thing.
01:27:11:22 - 01:27:39:02
Unknown
But there's untold damage to high paramilitarism or that need to be treated. You know, it used to be the standard completion was 500 gallons, 15% Caucasian day after year and a whatever, and they weren't treated. You have a little area and it is a scale map. Is it paraffin now is a yeah, there's a lot of that around a lot and cheap to go into or something.
01:27:39:02 - 01:27:55:15
Unknown
No one's looking at it right now. No wide second hand sexy, no shale. I'm saying we have a few that, And John and I've been working a lot on that where they're starting to come around, where they're going back in and looking at some of the vertical log sections and well, that's the they have all there's like if you want.
01:27:55:15 - 01:28:27:07
Unknown
Yeah. If, if the foundation of good engineering design is data, the conventional world has plenty of oil and you've got more than enough data, then you need to go in and start doing some, you know, you know how much oil is in place. You know how much was produced. You know the Permian, you know, all the the variables that you know, are a lot of the problems with the unconventional side when you're doing exploration as you don't have, you know, you do defense or whatever, and you get small samples, but you don't have a field worth of bottom oil pressure data and tickets and all of this stuff.
01:28:27:09 - 01:28:52:23
Unknown
And so I feel like there's just a huge opportunity sitting there, especially with modern completion design, modern drilling techniques, you know, if you were to come in and do 1000ft lateral in a tight a tight sand. Yeah. And see what the hell how even we talked about that. Yeah, exactly. You know, I think sometimes you need to stop and say, what the hell is the difference between a horizontal a vertical?
01:28:52:23 - 01:29:22:06
Unknown
Well, let I say, well, ones or I don't concern. Okay. No, it's the firm foot instead of one. Frack. You're doing 40 or 60 fracked on the same. Well, I mean, if you're not doing the right thing, you're going to do pretty good. But just understanding and understanding where palm is like less than that and what it means to you, what it can mean about your things.
01:29:22:08 - 01:29:44:08
Unknown
Lots and lots of potential in their industry. And hopefully we don't need $70 worth. Oh, that's a whole nother conundrum. Oh yeah, that's right, that's there. That's the big elephant. Right. Well, it's like, you know, when prices are high, no one gives a shit about efficiencies or anything to get it out of the ground before it goes back below 100.
01:29:44:08 - 01:30:02:11
Unknown
And then when prices are low, they're like, oh no, we got to figure out how to make money and we should. But then we don't have the money to spend on the new stuff. It's this whole cycle. But, it's still on for you. Yeah, for sure. You like changing it? Yeah. No kidding. What's, as we wrap up?
01:30:02:11 - 01:30:20:06
Unknown
Because I've got a jump here in a minute. What's what's one thing, or just kind of piece of advice you would you give to someone coming into the industry or someone young that that just started in the industry today? You know, what I do is find somebody that has a lot of experience, has some knowledge and learn from them.
01:30:20:08 - 01:30:46:15
Unknown
Do everything you can. Because if you truly understand hydraulics, if you certainly understand pressure and wonders in relation to production, you're aware of the game. And that goes on and frack jobs. Yeah, yeah. And way ahead of the game. But the what people are coming out of school, even in petroleum engineering.
01:30:46:17 - 01:31:09:23
Unknown
I don't, I know I don't talk to them and you know, fracking practice I don't know. Yeah. There's a lot of different now. I always found that incredibly frustrating being on the frack side. And then, you know, I'd go out on a job and the engineer that is the completion engineer who's Wells, who's well, it is just graduated, has never sat on a frack job before.
01:31:09:23 - 01:31:24:11
Unknown
And I'm like, okay, well, I've been doing this for five years, but you're going to tell me what what to do. Okay. Oh, hey, as long as you sign off on it, that's it. Yeah. You're very happy you're paying for it. I can express. Yeah. And I'm going to make sure I document that. But you do what you do.
01:31:24:11 - 01:31:45:23
Unknown
It's, Yeah. No, I, I think that's one of the biggest things is, like, with the field operations, regardless of what if it's drilling, completions, production, you can't learn that in a classroom. You can't learn the real world scenarios of what happens and what's going to potentially happen unless you're there, because that's, you know, it's all the one offs.
01:31:45:23 - 01:32:04:08
Unknown
It's all the, the edge cases of like, oh, well f r fell off and then pressure ran up and then we screened out and that's why we screened out. And so it's like, oh, well, if you weren't sitting on that job yeah. Maybe you could preview that in the office. But there are probably 3 or 4 indicators before that ever happened that absolutely were out there.
01:32:04:08 - 01:32:07:14
Unknown
You would know absolutely.
01:32:07:16 - 01:32:26:00
Unknown
Go. And we get a lot of those. We get a lot of postmortem. Yeah. You know, job analysis and of course when we get them in and they jumps right off the page, we can tell you immediately, you know, but so yeah, to your point, absolutely. Well, guys, I can't thank you all enough for for coming and doing this.
01:32:26:00 - 01:32:48:10
Unknown
This has been absolutely wonderful. It's been a pleasure, hosting and chatting with the other day. Well, thank you for having us. We really enjoyed it. And I appreciate the opportunity. Oh, it was, it's kind of nice to have somebody that is interested, you know, say some of my grandkids, as I. All right. Yeah. Okay. Grandpa. Right.
01:32:48:12 - 01:33:11:00
Unknown
Yeah. Maybe some better advice to the kids coming out. Stay out of oil field. Yeah, unless you're a masochist, like. Yeah. Yes. Unless you like pain. Where can where can people find you if they want to get in touch and reach out to you guys? Oh, easy. Give me a call. Give John a call. We've got our website, our contact information, my cell phone range 24 seven.
01:33:11:00 - 01:33:32:16
Unknown
We've got guys out in the field, 24, seven, ten on jobs. We're not just doing frack, we're doing wireline. We're doing coil. We're doing drill out mill outs. We've even got some guys doing some work over rigs. So we've got a lot of diverse, very, very well experienced individuals in that capacity. So feel free to reach out to me or John.
01:33:32:16 - 01:33:51:12
Unknown
And we we always answer. So, you know, there's there's a lot of consulting companies in the industry. And Eli is one of those that I cannot recommend enough. So thank you definitely very much. I mean, you don't make it 30, 40 years in the industry with your, sales people. Are you all right? Yeah. You're not going to make it.
01:33:51:16 - 01:34:06:18
Unknown
Yeah. You don't make it through more than one downturn. If you if you're it's it's difficult taking you to some of these shows because he can't get five foot in and you know just have it. Yeah. Crowd. Yeah. That's awesome. Well thank you so much guys. Oh thank you. We'll see you I appreciate it. Thank you guys.